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Let’s all be honest with ourselves… if the only difference in Signalgate were the people involved, there would be a different outcome altogether. Anyone in the

Let’s all be honest with ourselves… if the only difference in Signalgate were the people involved, there would be a different outcome altogether. Anyone in the military would have told you if they were in this situation, they would have been court marshalled by now along with months in prison. Put another way, Republicans are the untouchables. They always have been, and as Trump’s Third Term will show - no matter WHAT they do, “what are you going to do about it”! Bitch and moan all you want, and downvote me to hell… and then what? And if you’re American, put you perspective in Greenland’s, Canada’s, Mexico’s point of view. MAGA hasn’t figured it out yet: Today Canada, tomorrow America. They’ve figured it out. They won, and now they’re planning on how to carve up the spoils. I’m betting Trump and family gets a huge slice of the pie while MAGA celebrates by proudly goosestepping at his military style birthday parade. Good luck America… you used to be cool, but now you’re just the high school bully who’s in his 30s still driving around his mum’s car while looking for kids to beat up for their lunch money: “…compile the cost associated and levy them on the Europeans”

theshrike79 2y ago
I can guarantee that nobody involved in this will face any consequences. The reporter might, but no one else.
tokioyoyo 2y ago
Side effects of being angry that there’s another country, by almost all metrics, took the lead. Next step is forcing a war, I guess.
- gsky 2y ago
  If it's China, why angry? America welcomed it into WTC and gave business, IP, training and investment to get rich. Either America wanted to exploit China or help it get rich. Which ones true?
  - tokioyoyo 2y ago
    They were successful in taming Japan. I guess, a good chunk of the government thought they could do the same with China? But again, it’s been more than two decades now, the people who made that decision probably don’t have a major stake in the game anymore. It’s all conjectures, I’m not American (have relatives over there though, so have to keep up with the news), and not enough skin in the game. Just sad to see, as I’ve met incredible people throughout different parts of America.
rapsey 2y ago
>Anyone in the military would have told you if they were in this situation, they would have been court marshalled by now along with months in prison And anyone familiar with the workings of governments and politicians would tell you the use of Signal/WhatsApp is pervasive throughout most of the world. While there are secure private messengers available for governments to license, whoever is in charge of security is generally too paranoid or incompetent to license them. Or they license some homegrown piece of crap that no one uses. The result is everyone being worse off. Politicians use public apps that are much less secure and illegal for that purpose and regular government workers being in the stone age. Or just accept the use of public apps and allow your entire government be dependent on the good will of a foreign company that can cripple you at the push of a button.
- Sloowms 2y ago
  Just casually sidestepping the fact that none of these people had to know the exact times of the attacks.
  - rapsey 2y ago
    I didn't mention it because it is not what I was talking about? I don't care about what they were talking about, I'm not an american. I just know the sorry state of mobile security in governments.
- Terr_ 2y ago
  > And anyone familiar with the workings of governments and politicians would tell you the use of Signal/WhatsApp is pervasive throughout most of the world. Hold up, we're not talking about politicians sharing dirty jokes, planning campaign rallies, or messaging a staffer to pick up their dry-cleaning here. We're talking about a whole stack of problematic circumstances, where each detail makes it much rarer: 1. Using their personal phone for official business. 2. Engaged in a conspiracy to violate government record-keeping laws by deleting records of official business. 3. Where that official business involved classified information, the kind where soldiers are put in jail for leaking it. 4. Actively leak-bragging those classified details to coworkers with zero "need to know." 5. About regarding how their government is about to bomb an entire apartment building of civilians because they think one guy went inside.
instagib 2y ago
If planes were shot down or some other catastrophic event occurred then there may be consequences. Were the chats Secret? No. There was no “serious damage” to national security. Go down the list. At most it would be controlled unclassified material. CUI.
- alfiedotwtf 2y ago
  Talk to Israel who provided targeting intel and see if they’re not pissed off

theshrike79 2y ago

I can guarantee that nobody involved in this will face any consequences. The reporter might, but no one else.

tokioyoyo 2y ago

Side effects of being angry that there’s another country, by almost all metrics, took the lead. Next step is forcing a war, I guess.

gsky 2y ago
If it's China, why angry? America welcomed it into WTC and gave business, IP, training and investment to get rich. Either America wanted to exploit China or help it get rich. Which ones true?
- tokioyoyo 2y ago
  They were successful in taming Japan. I guess, a good chunk of the government thought they could do the same with China? But again, it’s been more than two decades now, the people who made that decision probably don’t have a major stake in the game anymore. It’s all conjectures, I’m not American (have relatives over there though, so have to keep up with the news), and not enough skin in the game. Just sad to see, as I’ve met incredible people throughout different parts of America.

rapsey 2y ago

>Anyone in the military would have told you if they were in this situation, they would have been court marshalled by now along with months in prison And anyone familiar with the workings of governments and politicians would tell you the use of Signal/WhatsApp is pervasive throughout most of the world. While there are secure private messengers available for governments to license, whoever is in charge of security is generally too paranoid or incompetent to license them. Or they license some homegrown piece of crap that no one uses. The result is everyone being worse off. Politicians use public apps that are much less secure and illegal for that purpose and regular government workers being in the stone age. Or just accept the use of public apps and allow your entire government be dependent on the good will of a foreign company that can cripple you at the push of a button.

Sloowms 2y ago
Just casually sidestepping the fact that none of these people had to know the exact times of the attacks.
- rapsey 2y ago
  I didn't mention it because it is not what I was talking about? I don't care about what they were talking about, I'm not an american. I just know the sorry state of mobile security in governments.
Terr_ 2y ago
> And anyone familiar with the workings of governments and politicians would tell you the use of Signal/WhatsApp is pervasive throughout most of the world. Hold up, we're not talking about politicians sharing dirty jokes, planning campaign rallies, or messaging a staffer to pick up their dry-cleaning here. We're talking about a whole stack of problematic circumstances, where each detail makes it much rarer: 1. Using their personal phone for official business. 2. Engaged in a conspiracy to violate government record-keeping laws by deleting records of official business. 3. Where that official business involved classified information, the kind where soldiers are put in jail for leaking it. 4. Actively leak-bragging those classified details to coworkers with zero "need to know." 5. About regarding how their government is about to bomb an entire apartment building of civilians because they think one guy went inside.

instagib 2y ago

If planes were shot down or some other catastrophic event occurred then there may be consequences. Were the chats Secret? No. There was no “serious damage” to national security. Go down the list. At most it would be controlled unclassified material. CUI.

alfiedotwtf 2y ago
Talk to Israel who provided targeting intel and see if they’re not pissed off