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You are right but this requires Americans to stop thinking their country is perfect. Any deep introspection and the whole facade breaks down... Anyone who does

You are right but this requires Americans to stop thinking their country is perfect. Any deep introspection and the whole facade breaks down... Anyone who does not want to worship Jesus or Trump is welcome to check out the Netherlands.

DiscourseFan 2y ago
It is difficult not to think your country is perfect when you can't make good money anywhere else in the world...
- lemon_zest 2y ago
  But you are just proving WeylandYutani’s point. You can make good money outside the US (ex. Switzerland, Singapore, etc) but because your preconceived notion you don’t even look at the evidence. I won’t be arguing on the definition of ‘perfect’ which is highly subjective.
- Arainach 2y ago
  Salaries in the rest of the world look great when you realize that in Europe you're not one medical incident while unemployed from utter bankruptcy
  - DiscourseFan 2y ago
    Almost nobody in the US is in that state either. Yes, the system has a lot of problems, but coverage is generally quite good and the quality of care is better than many places in Europe (the UK for sure, but that's a bad example).
    - Arainach 2y ago
      This is not true. 2/3 of bankrupt filings in the US are due to medical costs - a number which does not capture the high levels of medical debt carried by people who do not declare bankruptcy. https://www.ilr.cornell.edu/scheinman-institute/blog/john-august-healthcare/healthcare-insights-how-medical-debt-crushing-100-million-americans https://www.ilr.cornell.edu/scheinman-institute/blog/john-au... https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6366487/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6366487/
- piva00 2y ago
  Culturally you've been brought up with the idea that more money is the only measure of quality of life, through that lens I do understand your thinking but I believe you might need to reconsider if that even makes sense. Making good money is necessary in the USA for one to feel free, without it you don't have freedom since almost everything in the USA revolves around money. When you experience freedom even from the need of making good money while still having a decent life you'll know true freedom. Other parts of the developed world can deliver that, consuming is not the point after a certain level of comfort, more and bigger doesn't translate to a better life, it's just that in the USA it does. You can live a very fulfilling life without having to worry about making more money to buy another car, to save for your kids' education, to save for medical emergencies, to access cultural experiences, etc. It's just a very different way of living, unfortunately Americans have been turned into hyperconsumers, your whole economy is designed around that idea and so the thought that life is more than purchases feels alien.
  - DiscourseFan 2y ago
    Europeans overestimate how bad the US healthcare system is, number 1. Number 2, Americans have the most spending money on average compared to any other country in the world. Number 3, the most important technology and cultural advancements come out of the US; the US is where its happening—in a city like New York you can get the best of anything in the world, and then some. So no, Americans who make a lot of money live the best lives, and never want to leave. It takes some cahunas and some wits to make it in the US, not everyone can cut it.
    - piva00 2y ago
      You are just repeating yourself, and confirming what I said: you have a cultural bias and only see things through that lens. > Number 3, the most important technology and cultural advancements come out of the US; the US is where its happening—in a city like New York you can get the best of anything in the world, and then some. This is simply untrue, and reeks of very heavy ignorant American exceptionalism. I've been to NYC multiple times, there are many other cities around the world that provide the same experience. You should travel more.

DiscourseFan 2y ago

It is difficult not to think your country is perfect when you can't make good money anywhere else in the world...

lemon_zest 2y ago
But you are just proving WeylandYutani’s point. You can make good money outside the US (ex. Switzerland, Singapore, etc) but because your preconceived notion you don’t even look at the evidence. I won’t be arguing on the definition of ‘perfect’ which is highly subjective.
Arainach 2y ago
Salaries in the rest of the world look great when you realize that in Europe you're not one medical incident while unemployed from utter bankruptcy
- DiscourseFan 2y ago
  Almost nobody in the US is in that state either. Yes, the system has a lot of problems, but coverage is generally quite good and the quality of care is better than many places in Europe (the UK for sure, but that's a bad example).
  - Arainach 2y ago
    This is not true. 2/3 of bankrupt filings in the US are due to medical costs - a number which does not capture the high levels of medical debt carried by people who do not declare bankruptcy. https://www.ilr.cornell.edu/scheinman-institute/blog/john-august-healthcare/healthcare-insights-how-medical-debt-crushing-100-million-americans https://www.ilr.cornell.edu/scheinman-institute/blog/john-au... https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6366487/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6366487/
piva00 2y ago
Culturally you've been brought up with the idea that more money is the only measure of quality of life, through that lens I do understand your thinking but I believe you might need to reconsider if that even makes sense. Making good money is necessary in the USA for one to feel free, without it you don't have freedom since almost everything in the USA revolves around money. When you experience freedom even from the need of making good money while still having a decent life you'll know true freedom. Other parts of the developed world can deliver that, consuming is not the point after a certain level of comfort, more and bigger doesn't translate to a better life, it's just that in the USA it does. You can live a very fulfilling life without having to worry about making more money to buy another car, to save for your kids' education, to save for medical emergencies, to access cultural experiences, etc. It's just a very different way of living, unfortunately Americans have been turned into hyperconsumers, your whole economy is designed around that idea and so the thought that life is more than purchases feels alien.
- DiscourseFan 2y ago
  Europeans overestimate how bad the US healthcare system is, number 1. Number 2, Americans have the most spending money on average compared to any other country in the world. Number 3, the most important technology and cultural advancements come out of the US; the US is where its happening—in a city like New York you can get the best of anything in the world, and then some. So no, Americans who make a lot of money live the best lives, and never want to leave. It takes some cahunas and some wits to make it in the US, not everyone can cut it.
  - piva00 2y ago
    You are just repeating yourself, and confirming what I said: you have a cultural bias and only see things through that lens. > Number 3, the most important technology and cultural advancements come out of the US; the US is where its happening—in a city like New York you can get the best of anything in the world, and then some. This is simply untrue, and reeks of very heavy ignorant American exceptionalism. I've been to NYC multiple times, there are many other cities around the world that provide the same experience. You should travel more.