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The hashes are completely anonymized and not that intrusive. I'd rather they do it that way and have a global view of possible malware attacks than the complete

by rcarmo 2y ago

The hashes are completely anonymized and not that intrusive. I'd rather they do it that way and have a global view of possible malware attacks than the complete free-for-all that other platforms "enjoy". But here's my (unpopular) take as a GNOME user and using Fedora immutable distros + flatpaks -- I suspect Linux is going to go in a broadly similar direction. Maybe not soon (even flatpaks aren't universally acclaimed), but sometime.

zozbot234 2y ago
"Immutable" distros? We used to live-boot those from optical media back in the day. Fedora is quite late to the game.
ryandrake 2y ago
It doesn't matter whether it is anonymized. Apple has no business collecting information about what executables I am running on my own computer, or even whether I'm running executables at all. I don't care what their stated purpose is. I don't care what they want a "global view" of. It's my computer, not theirs. I don't even mind that they've introduced a level on the totem pole that's above root. But on my computer, -I- should be the one at that level, not Apple.
- redeeman 2y ago
  > it's my computer, not theirs. the issue seems to be that you still believe this?
  - redeeman 2y ago
    to downvoters: you can think its not fair that apple effectively holds control of your device, true, but the only way you can change things is to not buy the products. If you buy it, you accept how it is. vote with your wallets, not in some internet forum
ndiddy 2y ago
I think it depends on what distro you're talking about. Corporate distros like RHEL and SLES are absolutely going that way. It takes a lot of effort to backport fixes, and the money's not there in desktop Linux to make it worth their while if containerization is a viable alternative. Red Hat's gotten rid of a bunch of graphical applications for RHEL 10 and stated that users can get them from Flathub as an alternative. I believe there was some consternation when CentOS Stream 10 launched without even a packaged web browser and the advice was to install Firefox from Flathub (there's a lot of use cases where that breaks stuff), but it appears they've walked that back and started providing Firefox as a traditional package. However, less corporate distros that mostly just ship built upstream software as-is since they don't have to support it for long periods (think Arch, Fedora, Void, etc) don't have that problem, so I expect we'll continue seeing them use traditional packages.
- zozbot234 2y ago
  > I believe there was some consternation when CentOS Stream 10 launched without even a packaged web browser and the advice was to install Firefox from Flathub Ubuntu does the exact same thing with their snap repository, the Firefox apt package from Ubuntu is fake. At least Flatpak is a community-led project unlike snap.
  - ahartmetz 2y ago
    My advice is to add Mozilla's apt repo for Firefox by following the handy guide on their website. It's pretty short and easy (copy and paste).
    - consteval 2y ago
      My advice for web browsers is to use Flatpak. You can limit the file system permissions of the app, like giving only access to downloads, so that if/when there’s a sandbox leak you’re fine. You can also disable various things, like webcam or mic, this way. In addition, you can get perpetual updates to the latest version of your browser even on old, stable distros like Debian.
spudlyo 2y ago
> I suspect Linux is going to go in a broadly similar direction. Linux is pretty diverse, there are still distributions out there that haven't adopted systemd.

by rcarmo 2y ago

zozbot234 2y ago

"Immutable" distros? We used to live-boot those from optical media back in the day. Fedora is quite late to the game.

ryandrake 2y ago

It doesn't matter whether it is anonymized. Apple has no business collecting information about what executables I am running on my own computer, or even whether I'm running executables at all. I don't care what their stated purpose is. I don't care what they want a "global view" of. It's my computer, not theirs. I don't even mind that they've introduced a level on the totem pole that's above root. But on my computer, -I- should be the one at that level, not Apple.

redeeman 2y ago
> it's my computer, not theirs. the issue seems to be that you still believe this?
- redeeman 2y ago
  to downvoters: you can think its not fair that apple effectively holds control of your device, true, but the only way you can change things is to not buy the products. If you buy it, you accept how it is. vote with your wallets, not in some internet forum

ndiddy 2y ago

I think it depends on what distro you're talking about. Corporate distros like RHEL and SLES are absolutely going that way. It takes a lot of effort to backport fixes, and the money's not there in desktop Linux to make it worth their while if containerization is a viable alternative. Red Hat's gotten rid of a bunch of graphical applications for RHEL 10 and stated that users can get them from Flathub as an alternative. I believe there was some consternation when CentOS Stream 10 launched without even a packaged web browser and the advice was to install Firefox from Flathub (there's a lot of use cases where that breaks stuff), but it appears they've walked that back and started providing Firefox as a traditional package. However, less corporate distros that mostly just ship built upstream software as-is since they don't have to support it for long periods (think Arch, Fedora, Void, etc) don't have that problem, so I expect we'll continue seeing them use traditional packages.

zozbot234 2y ago
> I believe there was some consternation when CentOS Stream 10 launched without even a packaged web browser and the advice was to install Firefox from Flathub Ubuntu does the exact same thing with their snap repository, the Firefox apt package from Ubuntu is fake. At least Flatpak is a community-led project unlike snap.
- ahartmetz 2y ago
  My advice is to add Mozilla's apt repo for Firefox by following the handy guide on their website. It's pretty short and easy (copy and paste).
  - consteval 2y ago
    My advice for web browsers is to use Flatpak. You can limit the file system permissions of the app, like giving only access to downloads, so that if/when there’s a sandbox leak you’re fine. You can also disable various things, like webcam or mic, this way. In addition, you can get perpetual updates to the latest version of your browser even on old, stable distros like Debian.

spudlyo 2y ago

> I suspect Linux is going to go in a broadly similar direction. Linux is pretty diverse, there are still distributions out there that haven't adopted systemd.