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Further down in the article, it also cites a poll in which over 60% of people say racial and ethnic diversity is either extremely or somewhat important. People

Further down in the article, it also cites a poll in which over 60% of people say racial and ethnic diversity is either extremely or somewhat important. People have a lot of conflicting opinions! The idea that the data here supports any sort of “overwhelming” consensus is just straight up not true.

rayiner 2y ago
That’s not a conflicting opinion. People support diversity, but oppose the principal approach to achieving diversity. Note that the questions for both admissions and employment specify diversity as the goal. For example, the options for the employment question are: > Only take a person's qualifications into account, even if it results in less diversity > Take a person's race and ethnicity into account, in addition to qualifications, in order to increase diversity People support the end of increased diversity, but oppose race conscious admissions and hiring as a means to that end. That’s entirely consistent.
- jakelazaroff 2y ago
  Setting aside the fact that if you ask people if they support affirmative action, they generally say yes… > That’s not a conflicting opinion. People support diversity, but oppose the principal approach to achieving diversity. That is a conflict! You are describing a conflict! I don’t see how the discussion proceeds from here.
  - rayiner 2y ago
    It’s not a conflict, it’s a hierarchy of preferences. People’s specific opposition to race-conscious admissions and hiring outweighs their general support for diversity. That’s exactly what the Pew answer choice says: “Only take a person's qualifications into account, even if it results in less diversity.” Race blindness is more important than diversity. You see a similar pattern on many issues. E.g. people support balancing the federal budget. But most would say that they oppose cutting entitlement spending to balance the budget. That is, people’s specific opposition to cutting entitlement spending outweighs their general support for balancing the budget. In practice it just means that people’s preference in favor of the general issue is weakly held, while their opposition on the specific issue is strongly held.
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rayiner 2y ago

That’s not a conflicting opinion. People support diversity, but oppose the principal approach to achieving diversity. Note that the questions for both admissions and employment specify diversity as the goal. For example, the options for the employment question are: > Only take a person's qualifications into account, even if it results in less diversity > Take a person's race and ethnicity into account, in addition to qualifications, in order to increase diversity People support the end of increased diversity, but oppose race conscious admissions and hiring as a means to that end. That’s entirely consistent.

jakelazaroff 2y ago
Setting aside the fact that if you ask people if they support affirmative action, they generally say yes… > That’s not a conflicting opinion. People support diversity, but oppose the principal approach to achieving diversity. That is a conflict! You are describing a conflict! I don’t see how the discussion proceeds from here.
- rayiner 2y ago
  It’s not a conflict, it’s a hierarchy of preferences. People’s specific opposition to race-conscious admissions and hiring outweighs their general support for diversity. That’s exactly what the Pew answer choice says: “Only take a person's qualifications into account, even if it results in less diversity.” Race blindness is more important than diversity. You see a similar pattern on many issues. E.g. people support balancing the federal budget. But most would say that they oppose cutting entitlement spending to balance the budget. That is, people’s specific opposition to cutting entitlement spending outweighs their general support for balancing the budget. In practice it just means that people’s preference in favor of the general issue is weakly held, while their opposition on the specific issue is strongly held.
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