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"If I cheat I can get high score" does not mean the king has no clothes.

hiatus 2y ago
Is it cheating if you use the same tools to solve a problem as you would in a job? "No calculators" is lame when the job entails using calculators.
- jvanderbot 2y ago
  Yes I think it is. Math, which is more than arithmetic, is still important in the age of calculators. Using a tool does not substitute for clear thinking and deep experience, which is what they're trying to test for.
  - bredren 2y ago
    Leet code interviews are passed by having invested time practicing at leetcode interviews. They may but do not necessarily test for clear thinking and deep experience.
    - jvanderbot 2y ago
      We're going to disagree on this, but I have had situations arise at least once every 6 months where someone at work, or I, had to decompose a problem or come up with some critical code in exactly the same way as a LC interview. There is something very frustrating about living this experience and being surrounded by folks who refuse to admit it is real. Those same folks who couldn't help in those times. It's fine, it's not always required for every job, but I sure as heck would appreciate working with folks who can describe set cover or what have you. I work where I work though. So, it's different all over. But to unilaterally say it's invalid is just plain wrong.
      - hiatus 2y ago
        In what situation would you be decomposing a problem or coming up with critical code in the same way as a leetcode interview? Are you saying you have had to come up with solutions without access to additional resources like the internet?
        bredren 2y ago
        Or the stakes were such that if the problem was not solved in a short period of time your job was truly at stake?
SJC_Hacker 2y ago
The end result of all this, they go back to in person interviews, at least for a "final" round. Or some alternative, there is some trusted third party monitoring the candidate.
- dghlsakjg 2y ago
  Or you just design an interview process that weeds out things that can be done with AI. We have had people use AI in our interviews and fail miserably. We have always allowed people to search and use other resources during our interviews, and made the decision that using chat was fine as long as we could see what you were doing.
  - SJC_Hacker 2y ago
    Only problem I see is this can also be gamed with "human" help. Say the candidate has an ear piece If its for a high paying position I can see someone doing this for like ~$10k (contigent on them getting an offer) which is not bad for likely a few hours work.
from-nibly 2y ago
The fact that it is possible to cheat means the king has no clothes.

Is it cheating if you use the same tools to solve a problem as you would in a job? "No calculators" is lame when the job entails using calculators.

jvanderbot 2y ago
Yes I think it is. Math, which is more than arithmetic, is still important in the age of calculators. Using a tool does not substitute for clear thinking and deep experience, which is what they're trying to test for.
- bredren 2y ago
  Leet code interviews are passed by having invested time practicing at leetcode interviews. They may but do not necessarily test for clear thinking and deep experience.
  - jvanderbot 2y ago
    We're going to disagree on this, but I have had situations arise at least once every 6 months where someone at work, or I, had to decompose a problem or come up with some critical code in exactly the same way as a LC interview. There is something very frustrating about living this experience and being surrounded by folks who refuse to admit it is real. Those same folks who couldn't help in those times. It's fine, it's not always required for every job, but I sure as heck would appreciate working with folks who can describe set cover or what have you. I work where I work though. So, it's different all over. But to unilaterally say it's invalid is just plain wrong.
    - hiatus 2y ago
      In what situation would you be decomposing a problem or coming up with critical code in the same way as a leetcode interview? Are you saying you have had to come up with solutions without access to additional resources like the internet?
      - bredren 2y ago
        Or the stakes were such that if the problem was not solved in a short period of time your job was truly at stake?

SJC_Hacker 2y ago

The end result of all this, they go back to in person interviews, at least for a "final" round. Or some alternative, there is some trusted third party monitoring the candidate.

dghlsakjg 2y ago
Or you just design an interview process that weeds out things that can be done with AI. We have had people use AI in our interviews and fail miserably. We have always allowed people to search and use other resources during our interviews, and made the decision that using chat was fine as long as we could see what you were doing.
- SJC_Hacker 2y ago
  Only problem I see is this can also be gamed with "human" help. Say the candidate has an ear piece If its for a high paying position I can see someone doing this for like ~$10k (contigent on them getting an offer) which is not bad for likely a few hours work.

from-nibly 2y ago

The fact that it is possible to cheat means the king has no clothes.