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Ah, but in North America, only double-pane windows are required. Triple-pane windows are considered necessary for noise abatement but are prohibitively expensiv

Ah, but in North America, only double-pane windows are required. Triple-pane windows are considered necessary for noise abatement but are prohibitively expensive. There are government rebates for upgrading older homes from single to double-pane windows, but no third-pane increase in the rebate.

freedomben 2y ago
Yes, and to give an idea I replaced some windows in my house a couple years back. The double pane windows on the north side were about $100 to $150 per, while the triple pane windows on the south side were $900. The triple pane also had higher installation labor costs. It seemed ludicrous to me that it would be so much more expensive, but after calling around, that was very typical.
- voisin 2y ago
  Why was labor more expensive?
  - delusional 2y ago
    Only thing I could imagine was extra hands to deal with the weight.
    - bgnn 2y ago
      Don't they use machinery to carry the windows? Even double pane gets heavy. The windows of the sliding doors I've recently got replaced were like 200kg each.
      - forgetfreeman 2y ago
        It is exceptionally rare for a contractor to have equipment to move literally anything that takes less than four laborers to move by hand.
        bgnn 2y ago
        Not here in the Netherlands. By law anything heavier than 23kg should be carried by a machine. In principle one can carry something heavier, but then there needs to be a written plan etc. It's very common to carry stuff with a small crane. If it needs to be carried to thd back of the house which is not accessible, they set up a bigger crane.
        forgetfreeman 2y ago
        I bet y'all have comprehensive workers compensation coverage and good healthcare too. Half the contractors around here lie about carrying a personal injury policy and several I've worked for had a standing policy where if you fell off a roof, scaffold, or ladder it was understood that you were fired before you hit the ground.
      - 2ICofafireteam 2y ago
        Where I am, in British Columbia, the solution formoving even the biggest windows in single family homes is to use ten men and a boy.
bgnn 2y ago
I got extra thick glasses (12mm thick each instead of 6mm standard) for my argon filled double pane windows in the bedroom. The noise isolation is incredbly improved. It did cost only 15% more. This is Europe again.
- UltraSane 2y ago
  Do you mean the spacing between the two panes of glass?
  - bgnn 2y ago
    No no, the thickness of the glass panes.
    - UltraSane 2y ago
      12mm thick glass is pretty damn thick and is normally used for for table tops, glass walls and partitions, hearths, frameless balustrades at ground level, and kitchen worktops.

freedomben 2y ago

Yes, and to give an idea I replaced some windows in my house a couple years back. The double pane windows on the north side were about $100 to $150 per, while the triple pane windows on the south side were $900. The triple pane also had higher installation labor costs. It seemed ludicrous to me that it would be so much more expensive, but after calling around, that was very typical.

voisin 2y ago
Why was labor more expensive?
- delusional 2y ago
  Only thing I could imagine was extra hands to deal with the weight.
  - bgnn 2y ago
    Don't they use machinery to carry the windows? Even double pane gets heavy. The windows of the sliding doors I've recently got replaced were like 200kg each.
    - forgetfreeman 2y ago
      It is exceptionally rare for a contractor to have equipment to move literally anything that takes less than four laborers to move by hand.
      - bgnn 2y ago
        Not here in the Netherlands. By law anything heavier than 23kg should be carried by a machine. In principle one can carry something heavier, but then there needs to be a written plan etc. It's very common to carry stuff with a small crane. If it needs to be carried to thd back of the house which is not accessible, they set up a bigger crane.
        forgetfreeman 2y ago
        I bet y'all have comprehensive workers compensation coverage and good healthcare too. Half the contractors around here lie about carrying a personal injury policy and several I've worked for had a standing policy where if you fell off a roof, scaffold, or ladder it was understood that you were fired before you hit the ground.
    - 2ICofafireteam 2y ago
      Where I am, in British Columbia, the solution formoving even the biggest windows in single family homes is to use ten men and a boy.

bgnn 2y ago

I got extra thick glasses (12mm thick each instead of 6mm standard) for my argon filled double pane windows in the bedroom. The noise isolation is incredbly improved. It did cost only 15% more. This is Europe again.

UltraSane 2y ago
Do you mean the spacing between the two panes of glass?
- bgnn 2y ago
  No no, the thickness of the glass panes.
  - UltraSane 2y ago
    12mm thick glass is pretty damn thick and is normally used for for table tops, glass walls and partitions, hearths, frameless balustrades at ground level, and kitchen worktops.