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They always say that, until you talk about legalizing more immigration, then you find out that no, they don't want any more immigration period.

FirmwareBurner 2y ago
>until you talk about legalizing more immigration Maybe because people have been duped so much in the last 10+ years to know that the loaded statement of "more immigration" from the government only means legalizing more ILLEGAL immigration, driving them to hate all forms of immigration because the governments have proven themselves useless at enforcing border controls and depurations of those who brake the law. That's the result that you get when you maliciously sweep ILLEGAL immigration under the same political banner used for legal immigration, as the liberal European governments have done, so you end up hurting the image of legal immigration as well but this is the fault of politicians, not the people whoa have suffered form illegal immigration and have next to no channels of changing this other than voting far right.
- amanaplanacanal 2y ago
  Ummm... At least in the US, they are absolutely not worried about law breaking at all. Look who they just elected president? "Law and order" is basically dead here.
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    Do you want the Orange Man to bring back all those prisoners he sent to EL Salvador? Would you like them in your neighborhood?
    - amanaplanacanal 2y ago
      I just find it fascinating how some people are perfectly fine with rich criminals, but want to get rid of the poor criminals. It makes me wonder what their real motivations are.
      - mantas 2y ago
        Crimes by random thugs is affecting day-to-day life much more than corrupt politicians stuffing their pockets with public money. Getting stabbed on the street vs somebody giving a government contract to a buddy? If I must choose, I’d rather take the later tbh.
        guappa 2y ago
        Is it? A thug might occasionally steal your wallet. Rich criminals make sure you will not get cure for whatever illness you will surely get as you get older.
        mantas 2y ago
        A thug may kill you and it won’t matter much what illness you’ll get at old age.
        guappa 2y ago
        A lightning might kill you as well while you're still in the crib. But not all these events have the same probability. Why do you worry more about the very unlikely events and not at all about the almost sure events?
        amanaplanacanal 2y ago
        You are far more likely to be killed by a citizen than an illegal alien, and even that chance is tiny compared to an automobile death. You've been lied to by people trying to manipulate you for their own political power. Don't get suckered by then. They are not your friend.
    - sjsdaiuasgdia 2y ago
      https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article302671624.html https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article30... When you use a list of tattoo elements to identify "Venezuelan gang members" and that list is also matched by the cheap options on the wall of any random tattoo shop, you tend to get a lot of false positives. Mr. Mota can absolutely stay in my neighborhood.
    - rat87 2y ago
      I don't want orange man to deport ordinary Venezuelans to a left wing dictatorship. Or to another country for having tattoos https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/-incredible-trump-admin-reportedly-deports-man-over-autism-awareness-tattoo-235625029616 https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/-incredible-trump-admin-r... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/20/deported-because-of-his-tattoos-has-the-us-targeted-venezuelans-for-their-body-art https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/20/deported-bec...
tomp 2y ago
I don’t think that anyone minds immigration of highly educated people from advanced civilized countries that have aligned values and respect local cultures. But illegal and legal immigrants from other countries mainly consume taxpayer resources and spread crime and violence.
- guappa 2y ago
  Of course they do mind, ask any dark skinned person with a university degree about their experiences.
- amanaplanacanal 2y ago
  That is absolutely not true. Whoever you heard that from is lying to you. Local citizens cause way more crime than immigrants. Maybe think about where you are getting your news from, because it is bullshit.
  - tomp 2y ago
    Of course they do, because there’s way more local citizens than immigrants. But non-Western immigrants are more likely to commit crimes (i.e. on a per-capita basis). This blog post goes into some detail, and also adjusts by sex & age (also important!). https://inquisitivebird.xyz/p/the-effects-of-immigration-in-denmark https://inquisitivebird.xyz/p/the-effects-of-immigration-in-... You can easily confirm the basic “Danish origin vs non-Western immigrants” statistics by doing simple math from official sources. https://www.dst.dk/en/Statistik/emner/sociale-forhold/kriminalitet/doemte-personer https://www.dst.dk/en/Statistik/emner/sociale-forhold/krimin... Persons of Danish origin commit 75% of crime yet represent 84% of the population. Immigrants are only 16% of population yet commit 25% of crime. Or is official Danish statistics lying?
    - guappa 2y ago
      Now correct for income and see if it isn't linked to income rather than skin colour :)
      - 2y ago

FirmwareBurner 2y ago

>until you talk about legalizing more immigration Maybe because people have been duped so much in the last 10+ years to know that the loaded statement of "more immigration" from the government only means legalizing more ILLEGAL immigration, driving them to hate all forms of immigration because the governments have proven themselves useless at enforcing border controls and depurations of those who brake the law. That's the result that you get when you maliciously sweep ILLEGAL immigration under the same political banner used for legal immigration, as the liberal European governments have done, so you end up hurting the image of legal immigration as well but this is the fault of politicians, not the people whoa have suffered form illegal immigration and have next to no channels of changing this other than voting far right.

amanaplanacanal 2y ago
Ummm... At least in the US, they are absolutely not worried about law breaking at all. Look who they just elected president? "Law and order" is basically dead here.
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago
  Do you want the Orange Man to bring back all those prisoners he sent to EL Salvador? Would you like them in your neighborhood?
  - amanaplanacanal 2y ago
    I just find it fascinating how some people are perfectly fine with rich criminals, but want to get rid of the poor criminals. It makes me wonder what their real motivations are.
    - mantas 2y ago
      Crimes by random thugs is affecting day-to-day life much more than corrupt politicians stuffing their pockets with public money. Getting stabbed on the street vs somebody giving a government contract to a buddy? If I must choose, I’d rather take the later tbh.
      - guappa 2y ago
        Is it? A thug might occasionally steal your wallet. Rich criminals make sure you will not get cure for whatever illness you will surely get as you get older.
        mantas 2y ago
        A thug may kill you and it won’t matter much what illness you’ll get at old age.
        guappa 2y ago
        A lightning might kill you as well while you're still in the crib. But not all these events have the same probability. Why do you worry more about the very unlikely events and not at all about the almost sure events?
        amanaplanacanal 2y ago
        You are far more likely to be killed by a citizen than an illegal alien, and even that chance is tiny compared to an automobile death. You've been lied to by people trying to manipulate you for their own political power. Don't get suckered by then. They are not your friend.
  - sjsdaiuasgdia 2y ago
    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article302671624.html https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article30... When you use a list of tattoo elements to identify "Venezuelan gang members" and that list is also matched by the cheap options on the wall of any random tattoo shop, you tend to get a lot of false positives. Mr. Mota can absolutely stay in my neighborhood.
  - rat87 2y ago
    I don't want orange man to deport ordinary Venezuelans to a left wing dictatorship. Or to another country for having tattoos https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/-incredible-trump-admin-reportedly-deports-man-over-autism-awareness-tattoo-235625029616 https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/-incredible-trump-admin-r... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/20/deported-because-of-his-tattoos-has-the-us-targeted-venezuelans-for-their-body-art https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/20/deported-bec...

tomp 2y ago

I don’t think that anyone minds immigration of highly educated people from advanced civilized countries that have aligned values and respect local cultures. But illegal and legal immigrants from other countries mainly consume taxpayer resources and spread crime and violence.

guappa 2y ago
Of course they do mind, ask any dark skinned person with a university degree about their experiences.
amanaplanacanal 2y ago
That is absolutely not true. Whoever you heard that from is lying to you. Local citizens cause way more crime than immigrants. Maybe think about where you are getting your news from, because it is bullshit.
- tomp 2y ago
  Of course they do, because there’s way more local citizens than immigrants. But non-Western immigrants are more likely to commit crimes (i.e. on a per-capita basis). This blog post goes into some detail, and also adjusts by sex & age (also important!). https://inquisitivebird.xyz/p/the-effects-of-immigration-in-denmark https://inquisitivebird.xyz/p/the-effects-of-immigration-in-... You can easily confirm the basic “Danish origin vs non-Western immigrants” statistics by doing simple math from official sources. https://www.dst.dk/en/Statistik/emner/sociale-forhold/kriminalitet/doemte-personer https://www.dst.dk/en/Statistik/emner/sociale-forhold/krimin... Persons of Danish origin commit 75% of crime yet represent 84% of the population. Immigrants are only 16% of population yet commit 25% of crime. Or is official Danish statistics lying?
  - guappa 2y ago
    Now correct for income and see if it isn't linked to income rather than skin colour :)
    - 2y ago