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I think this completely elides the point the gp was making about the edge cases being the hardest part. As siblings have pointed out, even establishing "no dama

I think this completely elides the point the gp was making about the edge cases being the hardest part. As siblings have pointed out, even establishing "no damage to the property beyond normal wear and tear" is frequently contentious and not self-evident. Rights (and courts) exist precisely because parties frequently represent the facts of a situation to their maximal benefit. Also, while reasonable people can agree that there's room to improve the balance on tenants rights, the idea of swinging from "total" to "0" rights based solely on payment status doesn't strike me as the debate's end.

ReptileMan 2y ago
It works wonders for utilities and telcos. You stop paying your bills - your phone is dead, you have no internet and electricity in X days after skipping an invoice. Why should be leasing real estate any different?
- floatrock 2y ago
  It is expensive to be poor because of feedback loops. If you lose a job and miss a paycheck this month, maybe you need an extra month to get back on your feet. If you lose housing right away, it's gonna be harder to find a job ("why is your suit wrinkled? why do you smell like you haven't taken a shower in a week?"), which makes it harder to get an apartment that would stabilize things. We have safety nets so the smallest bump doesn't shoot you right to the bottom. It shouldn't be indefinite, and the problem is finding how many months of friction should exist before we reach "this aint gonna get better", but instant-cutoff quickly becomes a feedback loop of shit.
  - lotsoweiners 2y ago
    Ok but we have plenty of other safety nets. Govt programs like SNAP, Unemployment, TANF, etc. We have other potential safety nets such as family, churches, various other organizations that help out, friend’s couches. I don’t understand why a small time landlord who probably doesn’t have huge cash flow on a property should be unable to pay the mortgage on the property for 6 months or a year. It doesn’t seem right to me.
    - sc68cal 2y ago
      If a landlord can't pay the mortgage then they probably shouldn't be a landlord.
  - totalkikedeath 2y ago
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- mrguyorama 2y ago
  This is laughably wrong. I can stop paying my electricity bill in november and our state's utility companies CANNOT cut me off until the spring, because without heat I would literally die in Maine. There are similar laws for gas utilities. I can have a billion dollar bill with Verizon, but if I dial 911, they are legally obligated to connect me to emergency services. Also, ask people who work for utility companies how well any of this works to actually compel payment from the kind of people who are good at abusing debt. Answer: Fucking not at all. My brother worked for the cable company, rather limited regulation in terms of requiring the company to continue servicing someone who was delinquent. 95% of his job was still disconnects, often involving someone showing up to the door with their rifle to make a point.
  - Der_Einzige 2y ago
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    - defrost 2y ago
      Given there are more renters than landlords it's a literal Laffer Curve of popularity.
- Braxton1980 2y ago
  Because they don't cut those off right away, especially electricity.
  - ReptileMan 2y ago
    In my country they do. You have 2 weeks delinquency and that's it.

ReptileMan 2y ago

It works wonders for utilities and telcos. You stop paying your bills - your phone is dead, you have no internet and electricity in X days after skipping an invoice. Why should be leasing real estate any different?

floatrock 2y ago
It is expensive to be poor because of feedback loops. If you lose a job and miss a paycheck this month, maybe you need an extra month to get back on your feet. If you lose housing right away, it's gonna be harder to find a job ("why is your suit wrinkled? why do you smell like you haven't taken a shower in a week?"), which makes it harder to get an apartment that would stabilize things. We have safety nets so the smallest bump doesn't shoot you right to the bottom. It shouldn't be indefinite, and the problem is finding how many months of friction should exist before we reach "this aint gonna get better", but instant-cutoff quickly becomes a feedback loop of shit.
- lotsoweiners 2y ago
  Ok but we have plenty of other safety nets. Govt programs like SNAP, Unemployment, TANF, etc. We have other potential safety nets such as family, churches, various other organizations that help out, friend’s couches. I don’t understand why a small time landlord who probably doesn’t have huge cash flow on a property should be unable to pay the mortgage on the property for 6 months or a year. It doesn’t seem right to me.
  - sc68cal 2y ago
    If a landlord can't pay the mortgage then they probably shouldn't be a landlord.
- totalkikedeath 2y ago
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mrguyorama 2y ago
This is laughably wrong. I can stop paying my electricity bill in november and our state's utility companies CANNOT cut me off until the spring, because without heat I would literally die in Maine. There are similar laws for gas utilities. I can have a billion dollar bill with Verizon, but if I dial 911, they are legally obligated to connect me to emergency services. Also, ask people who work for utility companies how well any of this works to actually compel payment from the kind of people who are good at abusing debt. Answer: Fucking not at all. My brother worked for the cable company, rather limited regulation in terms of requiring the company to continue servicing someone who was delinquent. 95% of his job was still disconnects, often involving someone showing up to the door with their rifle to make a point.
- Der_Einzige 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - defrost 2y ago
    Given there are more renters than landlords it's a literal Laffer Curve of popularity.
Braxton1980 2y ago
Because they don't cut those off right away, especially electricity.
- ReptileMan 2y ago
  In my country they do. You have 2 weeks delinquency and that's it.