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> Instead of getting tangled up in social issues It's not that they're getting 'tangled up', it's that reactionary activists (whose ultimate goal is repealing

> Instead of getting tangled up in social issues It's not that they're getting 'tangled up', it's that reactionary activists (whose ultimate goal is repealing the Civil Rights Act entirely) use strawman social issues as a wedge and the press is led around by the nose parroting these controversies that are brazenly ginned up. Liberal politicians don't really have a great strategy for this because the majority of media (and I'm talking about the real media: influencers with more following than all legacy media combined) is right-wing these days. Progressives end up barely treading water while reactionaries run circles around them, and then are blamed when reactionaries make everything worse.

pclmulqdq 2y ago
There is a fringe wing of the democrat party that loves social issues and is an outsized fraction of the "community organizing" base they use to do things like canvassing and other forms of volunteering. These people need politicians to at least prove their "purity" on social issues, even on issues that are very unpopular. This is analogous to the hyper-religious wing of the republican party. They also like to get involved and volunteer, but they demand a certain stance on social issues, too.
- mullingitover 2y ago
  There's a lot of effort to conflate basic civil liberties with fringe social issues, tie them together, and burn down the civil liberties because they're just 'fringe social issues.' There are some fringe issues supported by some democrats, but the real base of the party is black voters and their civil rights are the real target. Conservatives still haven't forgotten about being forced to end segregation in schools, nor have they giving up on trying to re-segregate.
  - pclmulqdq 2y ago
    I honestly think this take on conservatives is pretty unhinged. It's completely baseless, too. Why not talk about one of the civil rights that they openly oppose? The number one civil right that American conservatives are after is your reproductive freedom. Number two is your right to access [medicine/drugs/foods] you choose.
    - dragonwriter 2y ago
      > Why not talk about one of the civil rights that they openly oppose? They openly oppose black civil rights; that's what the war on “Woke"/”DEI” is about, its what the dismantling of the Voting Rights Act protections (also through the courts, but gets less attention than dismantling of abortion rights) is about, and there are many other aspects of it.
      - lotsoweiners 2y ago
        Being anti woke/DEI does not mean you oppose civil rights. Plenty of African Americans and other minorities dislike woke/DEI. They don’t want to be thought of as a diversity hire but still enjoy their rights to vote and use the same bathrooms as their white peers.
        watwut 2y ago
        Republicans use "being anti woke" as a comfortable excuse to be anti women in general and anti minorities in general. They complain about diversity hires in institutions that have no such policy - just seeing a woman on good position makes them assume it was DEI. There could theoretically be anti-DEI political party that is pro-equality, republicans are not that.
        Gareth321 2y ago
        As someone on the outside of this fight (I am not American), there was only one side fighting to maintain racism and sexism in hiring, promotion, government assistance, and university entrance: the Democrats. The Republicans were and remain clearly resolute in creating a merit based society. It seems clear that the democrats were and continue to seek to expand racism and sexism under the banner of "DEI." Adherents like Ibram X Kendi aren't hiding the ball. They openly acknowledge that the use of racism is necessary to achieve equal outcomes.
        dragonwriter 2y ago

pclmulqdq 2y ago

There is a fringe wing of the democrat party that loves social issues and is an outsized fraction of the "community organizing" base they use to do things like canvassing and other forms of volunteering. These people need politicians to at least prove their "purity" on social issues, even on issues that are very unpopular. This is analogous to the hyper-religious wing of the republican party. They also like to get involved and volunteer, but they demand a certain stance on social issues, too.

mullingitover 2y ago
There's a lot of effort to conflate basic civil liberties with fringe social issues, tie them together, and burn down the civil liberties because they're just 'fringe social issues.' There are some fringe issues supported by some democrats, but the real base of the party is black voters and their civil rights are the real target. Conservatives still haven't forgotten about being forced to end segregation in schools, nor have they giving up on trying to re-segregate.
- pclmulqdq 2y ago
  I honestly think this take on conservatives is pretty unhinged. It's completely baseless, too. Why not talk about one of the civil rights that they openly oppose? The number one civil right that American conservatives are after is your reproductive freedom. Number two is your right to access [medicine/drugs/foods] you choose.
  - dragonwriter 2y ago
    > Why not talk about one of the civil rights that they openly oppose? They openly oppose black civil rights; that's what the war on “Woke"/”DEI” is about, its what the dismantling of the Voting Rights Act protections (also through the courts, but gets less attention than dismantling of abortion rights) is about, and there are many other aspects of it.
    - lotsoweiners 2y ago
      Being anti woke/DEI does not mean you oppose civil rights. Plenty of African Americans and other minorities dislike woke/DEI. They don’t want to be thought of as a diversity hire but still enjoy their rights to vote and use the same bathrooms as their white peers.
      - watwut 2y ago
        Republicans use "being anti woke" as a comfortable excuse to be anti women in general and anti minorities in general. They complain about diversity hires in institutions that have no such policy - just seeing a woman on good position makes them assume it was DEI. There could theoretically be anti-DEI political party that is pro-equality, republicans are not that.
        Gareth321 2y ago
        As someone on the outside of this fight (I am not American), there was only one side fighting to maintain racism and sexism in hiring, promotion, government assistance, and university entrance: the Democrats. The Republicans were and remain clearly resolute in creating a merit based society. It seems clear that the democrats were and continue to seek to expand racism and sexism under the banner of "DEI." Adherents like Ibram X Kendi aren't hiding the ball. They openly acknowledge that the use of racism is necessary to achieve equal outcomes.
        dragonwriter 2y ago