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They seem kinda desperate with all their recent plans. It is such a shame, they make good money and could really make a difference with more patience. Online G

by sek 14y ago

They seem kinda desperate with all their recent plans. It is such a shame, they make good money and could really make a difference with more patience. Online Gambling? What a joke.

rizla 14y ago
Online gambling is a pretty fat market, worth over a billion bucks a year. You say joke, businesses say smart. Essentially turning users into actual profit. And for once we get something back instead of just being a marketing platform Certainly not expecting Zynga to take this lying down Sorry, I misread your comment. :redface
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alan_cx 14y ago
Why is on line gambling a joke? Its a serious money spinner. Its the one thing, weidro laws aside, facebook have announced that actually makes some sense, and isn't offensive to the privacy folk. Or are you making strange moral point bout gambling?
- rizla 14y ago
  I think gambling is one of those dirty sources, for some it'd be like if facebook created a porn section or a dating area. Neither in themselves damaging but still socially awkward Alternativly maybe he just doesn't see gambling as a big industry.
  - hessenwolf 14y ago
    I'm not objective here at all, and people are entitled to disagree, but, yes, gambling to me is 'unwholesome'.
    - rizla 14y ago
      I disagree. What is and isnt wholesome shifts based on politics and social whim.
- throwa 14y ago
  I will move over my comment from here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4349761 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4349761: It is such a joke because gambling addiction is in thesame fold as drug addition: Title: The neurobiology of pathological gambling and drug addiction: an overview and new findings: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2607329/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2607329/ Before you talk of it being a money spinner, we need to first ask: a. If Facebook is harming society by this new act of desperation. B. is Facebook exposing its users to a new habit that could be destructive?
- sek 14y ago
  All this talk from Zuckerberg, "We don't care about Money", "I wan't to connect people" aso. seems cynic with their recent plans. I buy that Apple really cares about great products. I don't like how controlling they are with their app store, but at least is makes sense for user experience reasons. What should i believe about Facebook, do they want to connect people at gambling therapy sessions? How does it improve anything? Funny how Peter Thiel attacks Google for not being a real technology company.
  - rizla 14y ago
    I think you making the assumption that the only people that would gamble are addicts.. Or that gambling causes gambling addiction. Theres nothing to suggest either. Plenty of people drink, most arent alcoholics. Plenty of people take precription drugs, most arent addictded to them. I think this is a move to capture an area of a market thats been growing, despite being shunned. Better still if its more sociably acceptable, we can only hope that those who do develop addictions feel as though they are able to seek help without fear of suffering social punishment due to the stigma associated
    - sek 14y ago
      I don't want to discuss gambling addictions, this was obviously a sarcastic comment. Do you think this is an appropriate market for a so called technology company who wants to "connect the world"?
      - rizla 14y ago
        I don't think it's an inappropriate market. it's an opportunity for game developers to recapture the strength of the Facebook api - connect and actually make some cash using the Facebook platform. Keep in mind that gambling has existed on Facebook already, just the players could never win spendable cash. The mechanics compared to social games remain much the same, with the exception of there being external regulators watching to ensure that players aren't unfairly exploited Given Facebook was originally intended for university age people, able to make a decision to fight, kill and die for their beliefs and country. I would argue such an environment is where one would expect to find people capable of making a judgment call over weather or notto place a bet. If your argumentis that Facebook is a technology company and should not be involved in gambling then you are flat out wrong. Innovation should be followed where ever it emerges, otherwise companies will falter and die and we as a human society will miss out on great things. Not to say that gambling is an amazing piece of innovation although I am Sure there where some technical achievements in producing bingo frendzy, who should be the moral compass on what is a global network. If as a planet we can't even keep a clear line on what is statutory , on weather homosexuality is fine or a criminal offence, on of we should teach children about safe sex It seems your stance against Facebook allowing play for real cash has little to do with the technology, and everything to do with a perception that gambling = bad. Please correct me if I am wrong Which really is a shame to see on HN. I'd expect to see arguments pro or against based on the merits of what Facebook can deliver, on the demographics of the Facebook market, alternatives... Heck, how if in any way this alters the zynga play book. I turn the question to you, where would an appropriate place for such games be?

by sek 14y ago

They seem kinda desperate with all their recent plans. It is such a shame, they make good money and could really make a difference with more patience. Online Gambling? What a joke.

rizla 14y ago

Online gambling is a pretty fat market, worth over a billion bucks a year. You say joke, businesses say smart. Essentially turning users into actual profit. And for once we get something back instead of just being a marketing platform Certainly not expecting Zynga to take this lying down Sorry, I misread your comment. :redface

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alan_cx 14y ago

Why is on line gambling a joke? Its a serious money spinner. Its the one thing, weidro laws aside, facebook have announced that actually makes some sense, and isn't offensive to the privacy folk. Or are you making strange moral point bout gambling?

rizla 14y ago
I think gambling is one of those dirty sources, for some it'd be like if facebook created a porn section or a dating area. Neither in themselves damaging but still socially awkward Alternativly maybe he just doesn't see gambling as a big industry.
- hessenwolf 14y ago
  I'm not objective here at all, and people are entitled to disagree, but, yes, gambling to me is 'unwholesome'.
  - rizla 14y ago
    I disagree. What is and isnt wholesome shifts based on politics and social whim.
throwa 14y ago
I will move over my comment from here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4349761 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4349761: It is such a joke because gambling addiction is in thesame fold as drug addition: Title: The neurobiology of pathological gambling and drug addiction: an overview and new findings: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2607329/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2607329/ Before you talk of it being a money spinner, we need to first ask: a. If Facebook is harming society by this new act of desperation. B. is Facebook exposing its users to a new habit that could be destructive?
sek 14y ago
All this talk from Zuckerberg, "We don't care about Money", "I wan't to connect people" aso. seems cynic with their recent plans. I buy that Apple really cares about great products. I don't like how controlling they are with their app store, but at least is makes sense for user experience reasons. What should i believe about Facebook, do they want to connect people at gambling therapy sessions? How does it improve anything? Funny how Peter Thiel attacks Google for not being a real technology company.
- rizla 14y ago
  I think you making the assumption that the only people that would gamble are addicts.. Or that gambling causes gambling addiction. Theres nothing to suggest either. Plenty of people drink, most arent alcoholics. Plenty of people take precription drugs, most arent addictded to them. I think this is a move to capture an area of a market thats been growing, despite being shunned. Better still if its more sociably acceptable, we can only hope that those who do develop addictions feel as though they are able to seek help without fear of suffering social punishment due to the stigma associated
  - sek 14y ago
    I don't want to discuss gambling addictions, this was obviously a sarcastic comment. Do you think this is an appropriate market for a so called technology company who wants to "connect the world"?
    - rizla 14y ago
      I don't think it's an inappropriate market. it's an opportunity for game developers to recapture the strength of the Facebook api - connect and actually make some cash using the Facebook platform. Keep in mind that gambling has existed on Facebook already, just the players could never win spendable cash. The mechanics compared to social games remain much the same, with the exception of there being external regulators watching to ensure that players aren't unfairly exploited Given Facebook was originally intended for university age people, able to make a decision to fight, kill and die for their beliefs and country. I would argue such an environment is where one would expect to find people capable of making a judgment call over weather or notto place a bet. If your argumentis that Facebook is a technology company and should not be involved in gambling then you are flat out wrong. Innovation should be followed where ever it emerges, otherwise companies will falter and die and we as a human society will miss out on great things. Not to say that gambling is an amazing piece of innovation although I am Sure there where some technical achievements in producing bingo frendzy, who should be the moral compass on what is a global network. If as a planet we can't even keep a clear line on what is statutory , on weather homosexuality is fine or a criminal offence, on of we should teach children about safe sex It seems your stance against Facebook allowing play for real cash has little to do with the technology, and everything to do with a perception that gambling = bad. Please correct me if I am wrong Which really is a shame to see on HN. I'd expect to see arguments pro or against based on the merits of what Facebook can deliver, on the demographics of the Facebook market, alternatives... Heck, how if in any way this alters the zynga play book. I turn the question to you, where would an appropriate place for such games be?