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Will also add - the 17k miles is a self reported number with no way to verify that. That's also alleged miles between "critical intervention" and doesn't accoun

by 93po 2y ago

Will also add - the 17k miles is a self reported number with no way to verify that. That's also alleged miles between "critical intervention" and doesn't account for remote operators intervening all the time. Additionally, Waymo's most recent quartlery report for California lists over 1300 incidents that had mandatory reporting by law. This includes 47 collisions, 40 of them being with another vehicle, 1 against a pedestrian, and 2 against bicycles: https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/regulatory-services/licensing/transportation-licensing-and-analysis-branch/autonomous-vehicle-programs/quarterly-reporting https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/regulatory-services/licensing/transp... That's for a single quarter, in very small sections of the state. If you made them operate globally like Tesla, there's be thousands of these.

ra7 2y ago
Do you have a source for remote operators intervening all the time? The 17k miles number is also for their testing with a safety driver, which means it's inherently tougher than the environments they operate without a driver. If you're including disengagements in the 1300 "incidents", then it's highly misleading. As you said, it's only 47 collisions over millions of miles that also includes collisions in manual mode during testing. If you look at the collision reports [1], most of them are Waymos getting rear ended while being stationary. Remember, they have to report every contact event, including minor contacts like debris hitting their cars [2]. Tesla likely has orders of magnitude more incidents. The thing with them is that they don't report any of these numbers. Tesla doesn't even count crashes in their (highly misleading) safety report that don't deploy airbags. [1] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/autonomous-vehicles/autonomous-vehicle-collision-reports/ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/auto... [2] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/file/waymo_021523-pdf/ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/file/waymo_021523-pdf/

by 93po 2y ago

ra7 2y ago

Do you have a source for remote operators intervening all the time? The 17k miles number is also for their testing with a safety driver, which means it's inherently tougher than the environments they operate without a driver. If you're including disengagements in the 1300 "incidents", then it's highly misleading. As you said, it's only 47 collisions over millions of miles that also includes collisions in manual mode during testing. If you look at the collision reports [1], most of them are Waymos getting rear ended while being stationary. Remember, they have to report every contact event, including minor contacts like debris hitting their cars [2]. Tesla likely has orders of magnitude more incidents. The thing with them is that they don't report any of these numbers. Tesla doesn't even count crashes in their (highly misleading) safety report that don't deploy airbags. [1] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/autonomous-vehicles/autonomous-vehicle-collision-reports/ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/auto... [2] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/file/waymo_021523-pdf/ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/file/waymo_021523-pdf/