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Let's be clear: the anti-hydrogen contingent is vast and mendacious Comments for his article are not enabled He forgets / fails to include the massive investm

Let's be clear: the anti-hydrogen contingent is vast and mendacious Comments for his article are not enabled He forgets / fails to include the massive investments finalised in the middle east / North Africa (400GW in this region) most with consortium members from Europe to China and government backing. There are billion-dollar (euro) projects announced on a weekly basis. Hydrogen spells the end of fossil fuels, but the middle east is happy with pipeline connections to Europe - perhaps not so much the US who will find the petrodollar on increasingly shaky ground. These shills and their underlings (Michael Liebreich etc al) make a career out of trying to block the industry, with really only one objective: the preservation of tje fossil fuel industry. There is NO WAY batteries and direct electrification will replace fossil fuels in a meaningful way. Policy groups - many for ideological reasons - also maintain the false narrative of 'hydrogen cost declines are not possible' and every straw man and tin pot argument in the book. The pipelines are being built, and no amount of lobbying can undermine the hydrogen economy future - arriving within a decade sooner, as renewables and electrolysis make the great leap forward.

tim333 2y ago
Batteries are already replacing fossil fuels in a meaningful way. I got around today on an ebike and electric train and London where I am is switching the buses and taxis to 100% battery over the next few years. I have a petrol car but it's mostly parked. As to battery vs hydrogen in the future I figure it's mostly down to costs - the most cost effective will win. So far it's battery in the lead. London tried hydrogen buses - it still has about 20 - but they weren't as good. I've got a friend who was chairman of a hydrogen gizmo company Intelligent Energy Holding and I was puzzled why they were losing money and went broke as the gadgets like a hydrogen fueled phone charger seemed cool and worked eg this https://www.macrumors.com/2014/11/19/hydrogen-fuel-cell-upp-apple-stores/ https://www.macrumors.com/2014/11/19/hydrogen-fuel-cell-upp-... It turned out the problem is compared to battery it cost ten times as much and was a pain - refueling the hydrogen phone charger meant swapping it at a shop paying £5 whereas recharging a battery pack involves plugging it in and costs ~10p.

tim333 2y ago

Batteries are already replacing fossil fuels in a meaningful way. I got around today on an ebike and electric train and London where I am is switching the buses and taxis to 100% battery over the next few years. I have a petrol car but it's mostly parked. As to battery vs hydrogen in the future I figure it's mostly down to costs - the most cost effective will win. So far it's battery in the lead. London tried hydrogen buses - it still has about 20 - but they weren't as good. I've got a friend who was chairman of a hydrogen gizmo company Intelligent Energy Holding and I was puzzled why they were losing money and went broke as the gadgets like a hydrogen fueled phone charger seemed cool and worked eg this https://www.macrumors.com/2014/11/19/hydrogen-fuel-cell-upp-apple-stores/ https://www.macrumors.com/2014/11/19/hydrogen-fuel-cell-upp-... It turned out the problem is compared to battery it cost ten times as much and was a pain - refueling the hydrogen phone charger meant swapping it at a shop paying £5 whereas recharging a battery pack involves plugging it in and costs ~10p.