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There's no skill involved in pitching the two nearly-identical-in-BPM tracks and nudging them into rhythm. Put any sync button DJ in front of a proper CDJ setu

There's no skill involved in pitching the two nearly-identical-in-BPM tracks and nudging them into rhythm. Put any sync button DJ in front of a proper CDJ setup, give them a couple of hours to practice and they will be able to pull off a set. Most importantly: it is the least important part of the job. Nobody in the crowd gives a shit about whether or not you're using the sync button, it makes no difference to them. They're not there to stare at you, most of the time they can't even see what you're doing.

c16 2y ago
> Put any sync button DJ in front of a proper CDJ setup, give them a couple of hours to practice and they will be able to pull off a set. Please observe Grimes at Cochella: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E01QyNHBpcc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E01QyNHBpcc
- 4ggr0 2y ago
  "give them a couple of hours to practice" != Spontaneously having to figure out a different workflow in front of thousands of people :D (yes, she reacted suboptimally, just don't think it's fair to use here)
- 6stringmerc 2y ago
  Grimes isn’t a DJ she’s a self-admitted meth user who diddles around with a lot of hardware most people can’t afford in the first place and the results appeal to a very minor market (as evidenced by being dropped by her label and no critically or market acclaimed releases in 10 years or so). Grimes is a performance artist who dabbled in music. She’s not a musician. Imogen Heap is a musician.
Jgrubb 2y ago
Amazing - every word of what you just said is wrong.
- input_sh 2y ago
  I would love to see some actual counter-arguments!
shlant 2y ago
not sure why you are being downvoted. Beat-matching is the most straightforward and least interesting part of being/experiencing a DJ. I think every DJ needs to know how to do it but IMO most of the overemphasis on beat-matching comes from cringe gatekeeping. To me, it's akin to thinking an actor remembering their lines is the focus of acting. Mixing vinyl well is definitely an impressive skill but I (and I suspect the vast majority of people) don't care at all about how people are mixing tracks (until it's to the detriment of the music). Most people care about what makes them dance and/or feel something.
- rongrobert 2y ago
  IMO it depends on what skill level of beatmatching and mixing we are talking about. I have seen some unbelievable performances by matching wizards who added a whole other level to the performance with their skills. The set itself was different because there would not have been a way to slice and dice the set together without those skills. Really no different than a virtuoso performance on any other instrument.
Mashimo 2y ago
I'm a hobby / Bedroom DJ for a few years, and I still struggle with beatmaching vinyl ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
crtasm 2y ago
>no skill involved in pitching the two nearly-identical-in-BPM tracks and nudging them into rhythm I mean, there clearly is if you ever try teaching a beginner to beatmix (whether vinyl or digital). I don't disagree with your other points.

c16 2y ago

> Put any sync button DJ in front of a proper CDJ setup, give them a couple of hours to practice and they will be able to pull off a set. Please observe Grimes at Cochella: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E01QyNHBpcc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E01QyNHBpcc

4ggr0 2y ago
"give them a couple of hours to practice" != Spontaneously having to figure out a different workflow in front of thousands of people :D (yes, she reacted suboptimally, just don't think it's fair to use here)
6stringmerc 2y ago
Grimes isn’t a DJ she’s a self-admitted meth user who diddles around with a lot of hardware most people can’t afford in the first place and the results appeal to a very minor market (as evidenced by being dropped by her label and no critically or market acclaimed releases in 10 years or so). Grimes is a performance artist who dabbled in music. She’s not a musician. Imogen Heap is a musician.

Jgrubb 2y ago

Amazing - every word of what you just said is wrong.

input_sh 2y ago
I would love to see some actual counter-arguments!

shlant 2y ago

not sure why you are being downvoted. Beat-matching is the most straightforward and least interesting part of being/experiencing a DJ. I think every DJ needs to know how to do it but IMO most of the overemphasis on beat-matching comes from cringe gatekeeping. To me, it's akin to thinking an actor remembering their lines is the focus of acting. Mixing vinyl well is definitely an impressive skill but I (and I suspect the vast majority of people) don't care at all about how people are mixing tracks (until it's to the detriment of the music). Most people care about what makes them dance and/or feel something.

rongrobert 2y ago
IMO it depends on what skill level of beatmatching and mixing we are talking about. I have seen some unbelievable performances by matching wizards who added a whole other level to the performance with their skills. The set itself was different because there would not have been a way to slice and dice the set together without those skills. Really no different than a virtuoso performance on any other instrument.

Mashimo 2y ago

I'm a hobby / Bedroom DJ for a few years, and I still struggle with beatmaching vinyl ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

crtasm 2y ago

>no skill involved in pitching the two nearly-identical-in-BPM tracks and nudging them into rhythm I mean, there clearly is if you ever try teaching a beginner to beatmix (whether vinyl or digital). I don't disagree with your other points.