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I feel like YAML is a spiritual successor to the .ini, since it shares a notable ideal of simple human readability/writability.
by xp84 2y ago
I feel like YAML is a spiritual successor to the .ini, since it shares a notable ideal of simple human readability/writability.
- estebank 2y agoWhenever I ask myself "should I use YAML?" I answer myself "Norway".
- Ygg2 2y agoTo be fair to YAML that's been solved in 1.2. https://yaml.org/spec/1.2.2/#10212-boolean https://yaml.org/spec/1.2.2/#10212-boolean
- ElectricalUnion 2y agoGiven how YAML does magic and sometimes accidental type conversions of potentially nested objects, I think TOML is the well-defined sucessor to .ini
- lelanthran 2y ago> I feel like YAML is a spiritual successor to the .ini, since it shares a notable ideal of simple human readability/writability. It doesn't feel that way to me: it's neither simple to read nor to write. I suppose that that's a builtin problem due to tree representation, which is something that INI files were never expected to represent. TBH, I actually prefer the various tree representation workarounds used by INI files: using whitespace to indicate child nodes stops being readable once you have more than a screenful of children in a node.
- consp 2y agoYAML is readable? No way as there are too many ways to do the same thing and nested structures are unclear to the non trained eye (what is a list? What is nested?), let alone indentation in large files is an issue especially with the default 2 space unreadable standard so many people adhere to. YAML simple? It's sepc is larger than XML... Parsing of numbers and strings is ambiguous, leading zeros are not strings but octal (implicit conversion...). List as keys? Oh ffs, and you said readable. And do not get me started about "Yes" being a boolean, reminds me of the MS Access localizations which had other decimal values for true and [local variant of true] (1 vs -1). Writable? Even worse. I think I have never been able to write a YAML file without errors. But that might just be me, XML is fine though while unreadable.
- HelloNurse 2y agoSay "no" to YAML. As a string, if you can.
- Ygg2 2y agoYou can. YAML 1.2 is only 16 years old. Just old enough to drive. Norway problem has been solved for only 16 years.
- HelloNurse 2y agoYAML 1.2 leaves data types ambiguous, merely making the "Norway problem" optional and at the mercy of the application rather than, in the words of https://yaml.org/type/ https://yaml.org/type/ (which has not been marked as deprecated), "strongly recommended".
- Ygg2 2y agoThose schemas aren't part of the core schema, and you may interpret them if you are aiming for full 1.1 compatibility. If you're aiming for 1.1 compatibility, then you accept the Norway problem. I've been looking in the specs and I can't find the link to the https://yaml.org/type/ https://yaml.org/type/
- xp84 2y agoI agree that one could make wild YAML if you get into advanced stuff, but I make YAML files that look like this: things: - title: "A thing" item_id: "deadbeef-feb1-4e8c-b61c-dd9a7a9fffff" is_active: true favorite_formats: - yml - ini - title: "Another thing" item_id: "deadbeef-feb1-3333-4444-dd9a7a9fffff" is_active: false favorite_formats: - mp3 - wav Just because you can use it to create a monstrosity doesn't prevent it from being useful for simple configuration. Basically, it's just prettier JSON.
- afiori 2y agoI think GRON[1] would fit the bill better [1] https://github.com/tomnomnom/gron https://github.com/tomnomnom/gron