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You get used to it. I didn't find it discriminatory or obnoxious. There are significantly bigger fish to fry. Source: was an African.

jb1991 2y ago
I think you misinterpreted the comment you are replying to. It didn’t say anything about the phrase being discriminatory.
- esperent 2y ago
  I also interpreted that as "Given the <bad> name choice...". Although given how common phrases like "winter of x" and "summer of x" are in English, I can't imagine what the problem is. Unless they think it's discrimination against people from the southern hemisphere?
  - swiftcoder 2y ago
    > Unless they think it's discrimination against people from the southern hemisphere? I don't suppose anyone takes it all that seriously in the case of the seasons, but it is a textbook example of a dominant group imposing their frame of reference on less dominant group
    - esperent 2y ago
      What's the dominant group here? Blender is based in the Netherlands. They are using their local frame of reference, that's all. It's like complaining that someone refers to the time as 4 o'clock in a meeting because you joined from another time zone. Would you complain when I say that today's date is the 27th of March, because some people use the lunar calendar? It's a textbook example of getting offended on behalf of other people, who aren't even complaining in the first place.
      - dkdbejwi383 2y ago
        > It's a textbook example of getting offended on behalf of other people, who aren't even complaining in the first place. the person who started the thread stated they're from Australia - so they're getting "offended" on behalf of themself. FWIW I'm also Australian (living in Europe now) and found this kind of thing (using vague, location specific timeframes like "winter" or "holiday") quite confusing, too. It's obviously easier for me to understand now that I live in the northern hemisphere. The "issue" is that it's a bit annoying to have to look up where a company is based and then the weather patterns in that locale to understand something, when they could just as easily say "Nov-Dec 2025" for example. And when you live in a sub-tropical or tropical locale where there aren't clear demarcations between four seasons like there are in western Europe and North America, you can't just say "winter there is summer here" and vv. It's not a serious, "stop everything and fix this right now" issue, just a common annoyance, and it's nice to see Blender here try to make that a bit clearer.
        esperent 2y ago
        > The "issue" is that it's a bit annoying to have to look up where a company is based and then the weather patterns in that locale to understand something The only thing you have to do here is understand that seasons are switched in different hemispheres, which is taught when you're about 6 years old in most schools. And in case you forgot that, they even helpfully noted that their "winter of quality" is referring to winter in the northern hemisphere. Yes, working with people from different parts of the world to you is "a bit annoying". The Blender group - and entire worldwide open source software community - is already making massive concessions by doing everything through English. If the only thing you have to put up with that's "a bit annoying" is different holidays and seasons, you should recognize that you're actually incredibly privileged. You already speak English natively. You grew up in a western English speaking country, you share basically all the same reference framing aside from some minor calendar differences. It's honestly selfish as hell to expect people to adapt even their seasonal reference frames to suit you. They're already speaking your entire language instead of their own.
        2y ago
    - jb1991 2y ago
      Sounds to me like you also misinterpreted the comment.
- zamalek 2y ago
  I completely misinterpreted it.
chrismorgan 2y ago
Oh, I’m plenty used to it, being from Australia. It’s just so painfully common for northern-hemisphereans to use seasons or other vague cultural elements¹ to anchor things (southern-hemisphereans don’t really do it, in my experience), that it’s refreshing to find a case of people using it but being aware. (These days I have a new difficulty: I moved to India last year, and although the seasons are closer to the northern temperate and sub-arctic seasons, they don’t match exactly.) —⁂— ¹ I don’t count “Christmas” as this, because it’s a specific term for a particular time… well, apart from certain Eastern churches and Julian calendar users. I mean things like using “holiday” as a time of year, which completely baffled me in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23244207 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23244207.

jb1991 2y ago

I think you misinterpreted the comment you are replying to. It didn’t say anything about the phrase being discriminatory.

esperent 2y ago
I also interpreted that as "Given the <bad> name choice...". Although given how common phrases like "winter of x" and "summer of x" are in English, I can't imagine what the problem is. Unless they think it's discrimination against people from the southern hemisphere?
- swiftcoder 2y ago
  > Unless they think it's discrimination against people from the southern hemisphere? I don't suppose anyone takes it all that seriously in the case of the seasons, but it is a textbook example of a dominant group imposing their frame of reference on less dominant group
  - esperent 2y ago
    What's the dominant group here? Blender is based in the Netherlands. They are using their local frame of reference, that's all. It's like complaining that someone refers to the time as 4 o'clock in a meeting because you joined from another time zone. Would you complain when I say that today's date is the 27th of March, because some people use the lunar calendar? It's a textbook example of getting offended on behalf of other people, who aren't even complaining in the first place.
    - dkdbejwi383 2y ago
      > It's a textbook example of getting offended on behalf of other people, who aren't even complaining in the first place. the person who started the thread stated they're from Australia - so they're getting "offended" on behalf of themself. FWIW I'm also Australian (living in Europe now) and found this kind of thing (using vague, location specific timeframes like "winter" or "holiday") quite confusing, too. It's obviously easier for me to understand now that I live in the northern hemisphere. The "issue" is that it's a bit annoying to have to look up where a company is based and then the weather patterns in that locale to understand something, when they could just as easily say "Nov-Dec 2025" for example. And when you live in a sub-tropical or tropical locale where there aren't clear demarcations between four seasons like there are in western Europe and North America, you can't just say "winter there is summer here" and vv. It's not a serious, "stop everything and fix this right now" issue, just a common annoyance, and it's nice to see Blender here try to make that a bit clearer.
      - esperent 2y ago
        > The "issue" is that it's a bit annoying to have to look up where a company is based and then the weather patterns in that locale to understand something The only thing you have to do here is understand that seasons are switched in different hemispheres, which is taught when you're about 6 years old in most schools. And in case you forgot that, they even helpfully noted that their "winter of quality" is referring to winter in the northern hemisphere. Yes, working with people from different parts of the world to you is "a bit annoying". The Blender group - and entire worldwide open source software community - is already making massive concessions by doing everything through English. If the only thing you have to put up with that's "a bit annoying" is different holidays and seasons, you should recognize that you're actually incredibly privileged. You already speak English natively. You grew up in a western English speaking country, you share basically all the same reference framing aside from some minor calendar differences. It's honestly selfish as hell to expect people to adapt even their seasonal reference frames to suit you. They're already speaking your entire language instead of their own.
        2y ago
  - jb1991 2y ago
    Sounds to me like you also misinterpreted the comment.
zamalek 2y ago
I completely misinterpreted it.

chrismorgan 2y ago

Oh, I’m plenty used to it, being from Australia. It’s just so painfully common for northern-hemisphereans to use seasons or other vague cultural elements¹ to anchor things (southern-hemisphereans don’t really do it, in my experience), that it’s refreshing to find a case of people using it but being aware. (These days I have a new difficulty: I moved to India last year, and although the seasons are closer to the northern temperate and sub-arctic seasons, they don’t match exactly.) —⁂— ¹ I don’t count “Christmas” as this, because it’s a specific term for a particular time… well, apart from certain Eastern churches and Julian calendar users. I mean things like using “holiday” as a time of year, which completely baffled me in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23244207 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23244207.