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rubbish? yeah rubbish. no one can tell the difference between a $200 handbag and a $2000 handbag, outside of people in the industry.

suavesito 2y ago
Don't you think this is too short an argument to dismiss an as complex topic as this is? What, aside from this argument (which I'd like to found an study providing evidence of what you wrote, and one providing evidence of exactly the contrary), you think explains _better_ the observations than their arguments? You need not to use something expensive, only things that you think _looks_ expensive. But, what looks expensive, if not, obviously, the things that are expensive.
- flappyeagle 2y ago
  $200-300 gets you a lot of bag.
joeblubaugh 2y ago
Not even close to true. Handbags have a branding and hierarchy that’s more intricate that men’s fashion, and a cheap suit is a strong filter in law and banking. Doesn’t have to be fair, but playing the game is important in many fields.
- flappyeagle 2y ago
  I promise you I know more about handbag marketing than you. No one can tell unless you have a very specific recognizable model. If you carry a plain black or brown bag it all looks the same.
watwut 2y ago
They totally do. I know, because I was raised to save money by buying cheaper and could afford more expense. I got feedback about it and side comments about it. (None of that is ugly or dirty, just not expensive.) Being programmer, it does not matter much, but if I wanted to do management or something more human oriented, I would need to buy more expensive to not be outcast. People who care, do know it. And they make decisions.
- flappyeagle 2y ago
  It sounds like you haven’t been a manager. Do you care what bag your manager has when she has a human oriented interaction with you?
augzodia 2y ago
The article provides multiple anecdotal examples of where expensive status symbols were a clear factor in someone’s ability or inability to access jobs and opportunities. Do you have better evidence than this or can you only provide confident but unsubstantiated opinion?
- flappyeagle 2y ago
  I do. I have a family member who works in the industry and I’ve seen the market research. No one can tell. You might have a very specific bag that has a recognizable design but you are going far beyond signaling wealth and half the time people assume it’s a knock-off.
Irongirl1 2y ago
Think of mad libs for the rest of my comment and we might actually reach some form of understanding. I used to spend <hours> every month getting ready to go work. A half hour before every shift just to make sure that what I was wearing wasn't "too ghetto" in someone's mind before I walked out my front door. Why? So I wouldn't attract unwanted attention. Not from police officers, store clerks, or random Karens intent on trouble. If I could get that time back, oooh boy! I used to speak overly properly to certain people so that they knew my education wasn't the "poor, public school variety" and therefore wouldn't give me extra grief my asking unanswerable questions or putting blockades in my way "just because". It doesn't mean they didn't, it just means it felt easier to me. Maybe it worked, but probably not. They probably just thought I was showing off... I worked on giving up swearing for years. I did it solely to appear more like the people I was interacting with on a daily basis. Ultimately, we all make minor, but impactful, changes to ourselves for the sole purpose of improving outcomes. How many times have you adjusted your resume to accommodate changes in hiring policies or procedures? This is no different;the modus operandi is simply more analogue. Buy a handbag, get an interview. Adjust your brochure, (get a sale or) a job in this case.
- flappyeagle 2y ago
  Outside of industry no one has ever gotten a job because they spent 2k on a bag instead of 200$

suavesito 2y ago

Don't you think this is too short an argument to dismiss an as complex topic as this is? What, aside from this argument (which I'd like to found an study providing evidence of what you wrote, and one providing evidence of exactly the contrary), you think explains _better_ the observations than their arguments? You need not to use something expensive, only things that you think _looks_ expensive. But, what looks expensive, if not, obviously, the things that are expensive.

flappyeagle 2y ago
$200-300 gets you a lot of bag.

joeblubaugh 2y ago

Not even close to true. Handbags have a branding and hierarchy that’s more intricate that men’s fashion, and a cheap suit is a strong filter in law and banking. Doesn’t have to be fair, but playing the game is important in many fields.

flappyeagle 2y ago
I promise you I know more about handbag marketing than you. No one can tell unless you have a very specific recognizable model. If you carry a plain black or brown bag it all looks the same.

watwut 2y ago

They totally do. I know, because I was raised to save money by buying cheaper and could afford more expense. I got feedback about it and side comments about it. (None of that is ugly or dirty, just not expensive.) Being programmer, it does not matter much, but if I wanted to do management or something more human oriented, I would need to buy more expensive to not be outcast. People who care, do know it. And they make decisions.

flappyeagle 2y ago
It sounds like you haven’t been a manager. Do you care what bag your manager has when she has a human oriented interaction with you?

augzodia 2y ago

The article provides multiple anecdotal examples of where expensive status symbols were a clear factor in someone’s ability or inability to access jobs and opportunities. Do you have better evidence than this or can you only provide confident but unsubstantiated opinion?

flappyeagle 2y ago
I do. I have a family member who works in the industry and I’ve seen the market research. No one can tell. You might have a very specific bag that has a recognizable design but you are going far beyond signaling wealth and half the time people assume it’s a knock-off.

Irongirl1 2y ago

Think of mad libs for the rest of my comment and we might actually reach some form of understanding. I used to spend <hours> every month getting ready to go work. A half hour before every shift just to make sure that what I was wearing wasn't "too ghetto" in someone's mind before I walked out my front door. Why? So I wouldn't attract unwanted attention. Not from police officers, store clerks, or random Karens intent on trouble. If I could get that time back, oooh boy! I used to speak overly properly to certain people so that they knew my education wasn't the "poor, public school variety" and therefore wouldn't give me extra grief my asking unanswerable questions or putting blockades in my way "just because". It doesn't mean they didn't, it just means it felt easier to me. Maybe it worked, but probably not. They probably just thought I was showing off... I worked on giving up swearing for years. I did it solely to appear more like the people I was interacting with on a daily basis. Ultimately, we all make minor, but impactful, changes to ourselves for the sole purpose of improving outcomes. How many times have you adjusted your resume to accommodate changes in hiring policies or procedures? This is no different;the modus operandi is simply more analogue. Buy a handbag, get an interview. Adjust your brochure, (get a sale or) a job in this case.

flappyeagle 2y ago
Outside of industry no one has ever gotten a job because they spent 2k on a bag instead of 200$