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I agree with you that most consumers probably do want things that are bad for them. I would at least be cautious of services provided by one of the companies wi

I agree with you that most consumers probably do want things that are bad for them. I would at least be cautious of services provided by one of the companies with the most anti-trust lawsuits this century, I really don't think they're your friend.

tonyhart7 2y ago
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- ewzimm 2y ago
  It’s dangerous to assume so much as this about the thoughts of someone on comments, but let me offer a supporting opinion to the other point: People like things to be consistent and reliable. When we’re talking about technology, they probably don’t know what specific coding or licensing or development practices lead to that, but they know that they don’t like it when something they use gets worse over time. When things they use everyday change at the whim of one company that has full control, they don’t always like it. Having software that’s free to modify and distribute makes it so people will always have options and not depend on one company or another having the same opinions about what makes software good.
  - tonyhart7 2y ago
    "Having software that’s free to modify and distribute makes it so people will always have options and not depend on one company or another having the same opinions about what makes software good" Yeah its called android, company like samsung,xiaomi,huawei etc literally modify android and its come out of the box with the phone are you saying that android without google is the answer since android is still google, saying you dont want google but still using android is not really live up to the opinion since google can change android core anyway
    - ewzimm 2y ago
      This isn’t about wanting or not wanting Google but wanting freedom. I don’t avoid Google completely, but I don’t want to be dependent on them. I always want to have free and open alternatives to what they provide. The AOSP works for those different companies because it’s free to modify. Huawei had to move away from Android (still using parts) because Google services were not free or available to them. That was fine because at least the core parts remained free. If the basic functions of life like paying for things don’t work without Google, it’s a problem. That’s bad for people and too much pressure for Google to do the right thing for people who have different needs.
      - tonyhart7 2y ago
        Yeah, it's called hypocrisy. You want all the good things without the bad things, but they come with an associated cost. People are free to use anything other than Android or iOS; no one forces them to use Google services either.
        tourmalinetaco 2y ago
        Google is an objectively evil company, ever since they removed their “Don’t be evil” slogan. Android is, conceptually, a good idea. There is no “emotion” behind that statement, they themselves have said they are evil, and their actions regarding Android reflect that. It is not hypocrisy to desire that there be more good than bad in this world, and I urge you to read a dictionary.
        tonyhart7 2y ago
        Yeah its called "don't use android at all", its called hypocrisy when you still use android without the google service same with IOS, I bet a lot people desire IOS on non iphone device but that not going to happen soon because Apple profit is from iphone sales same with youtube, people dont like watching ads but youtube bussiness model is not going to survive without ads (who going to spend money if people can upload unlimited video on it for free???) google benefit from android development cost because they can generating revenue because people can get use google service its called BUSSINESS, there is no evil in doing bussiness. dont talk me about being right or evil when we talking at HN when most people want to create unlimited subscription for their service

tonyhart7 2y ago

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ewzimm 2y ago
It’s dangerous to assume so much as this about the thoughts of someone on comments, but let me offer a supporting opinion to the other point: People like things to be consistent and reliable. When we’re talking about technology, they probably don’t know what specific coding or licensing or development practices lead to that, but they know that they don’t like it when something they use gets worse over time. When things they use everyday change at the whim of one company that has full control, they don’t always like it. Having software that’s free to modify and distribute makes it so people will always have options and not depend on one company or another having the same opinions about what makes software good.
- tonyhart7 2y ago
  "Having software that’s free to modify and distribute makes it so people will always have options and not depend on one company or another having the same opinions about what makes software good" Yeah its called android, company like samsung,xiaomi,huawei etc literally modify android and its come out of the box with the phone are you saying that android without google is the answer since android is still google, saying you dont want google but still using android is not really live up to the opinion since google can change android core anyway
  - ewzimm 2y ago
    This isn’t about wanting or not wanting Google but wanting freedom. I don’t avoid Google completely, but I don’t want to be dependent on them. I always want to have free and open alternatives to what they provide. The AOSP works for those different companies because it’s free to modify. Huawei had to move away from Android (still using parts) because Google services were not free or available to them. That was fine because at least the core parts remained free. If the basic functions of life like paying for things don’t work without Google, it’s a problem. That’s bad for people and too much pressure for Google to do the right thing for people who have different needs.
    - tonyhart7 2y ago
      Yeah, it's called hypocrisy. You want all the good things without the bad things, but they come with an associated cost. People are free to use anything other than Android or iOS; no one forces them to use Google services either.
      - tourmalinetaco 2y ago
        Google is an objectively evil company, ever since they removed their “Don’t be evil” slogan. Android is, conceptually, a good idea. There is no “emotion” behind that statement, they themselves have said they are evil, and their actions regarding Android reflect that. It is not hypocrisy to desire that there be more good than bad in this world, and I urge you to read a dictionary.
        tonyhart7 2y ago
        Yeah its called "don't use android at all", its called hypocrisy when you still use android without the google service same with IOS, I bet a lot people desire IOS on non iphone device but that not going to happen soon because Apple profit is from iphone sales same with youtube, people dont like watching ads but youtube bussiness model is not going to survive without ads (who going to spend money if people can upload unlimited video on it for free???) google benefit from android development cost because they can generating revenue because people can get use google service its called BUSSINESS, there is no evil in doing bussiness. dont talk me about being right or evil when we talking at HN when most people want to create unlimited subscription for their service