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I'm still WAY better off with my solar panels and ALL the books on an external hard drive. I can't think of ANY situation where a print out of Wikipedia would b

I'm still WAY better off with my solar panels and ALL the books on an external hard drive. I can't think of ANY situation where a print out of Wikipedia would be better than a digital version.

schiffern 2y ago
Wikipedia is an extreme example, since it's highly impractical to print the whole thing. OTOH printing your "Top 20" survival books is quick and affords a nice measure of system-level dissimilar redundancy (not to mention valuable barter goods :D).
echoangle 2y ago
> I can't think of ANY situation where a print out of Wikipedia would be better than a digital version. An EMP destroys your electronics and makes accessing the digital version impossible?
- kylebenzle 2y ago
  In this scenario we have the print version AND the digital version. You could also say in the middle of a house file with the paper on fire the digital version would be better but it's pointless to invent around the assumptions.
  - echoangle 2y ago
    But the claim was that there is no scenario at all where print would be better than digital. > I'm still WAY better off with my solar panels and ALL the books on an external hard drive. I can't think of ANY situation where a print out of Wikipedia would be better than a digital version. I just gave a scenario where a print out of Wikipedia would be better than a digital version.
  - schiffern 2y ago
    > In this scenario we have the print version AND the digital version. Except this is the exact scenario I've been suggesting all along. If you want access to both versions, you still employ the same DIY bookbinding techniques. Nothing changes. Of the bookbinding tips I gave, "obliterate your digital copy" was (and I didn't think I had to explain this) not one of the suggested steps. ;-) Hence backup, not format shift.
palmotea 2y ago
> I'm still WAY better off with my solar panels and ALL the books on an external hard drive. No you're not. One component is your setup gets fried and you lose access to everything. Paper is its own reader device: it's far more resilient, because it has much few dependencies for use. Just think about digital archiving vs paper archiving for a bit, and it becomes clear. > I can't think of ANY situation where a print out of Wikipedia would be better than a digital version. Wikipedia would be of little practical value in a post collapse situation. And frankly, it's pretty terrible now for anything besides satisfying idle curiosity.

I'm still WAY better off with my solar panels and ALL the books on an external hard drive. I can't think of ANY situation where a print out of Wikipedia would be better than a digital version.

schiffern 2y ago

Wikipedia is an extreme example, since it's highly impractical to print the whole thing. OTOH printing your "Top 20" survival books is quick and affords a nice measure of system-level dissimilar redundancy (not to mention valuable barter goods :D).

echoangle 2y ago

> I can't think of ANY situation where a print out of Wikipedia would be better than a digital version. An EMP destroys your electronics and makes accessing the digital version impossible?

kylebenzle 2y ago
In this scenario we have the print version AND the digital version. You could also say in the middle of a house file with the paper on fire the digital version would be better but it's pointless to invent around the assumptions.
- echoangle 2y ago
  But the claim was that there is no scenario at all where print would be better than digital. > I'm still WAY better off with my solar panels and ALL the books on an external hard drive. I can't think of ANY situation where a print out of Wikipedia would be better than a digital version. I just gave a scenario where a print out of Wikipedia would be better than a digital version.
- schiffern 2y ago
  > In this scenario we have the print version AND the digital version. Except this is the exact scenario I've been suggesting all along. If you want access to both versions, you still employ the same DIY bookbinding techniques. Nothing changes. Of the bookbinding tips I gave, "obliterate your digital copy" was (and I didn't think I had to explain this) not one of the suggested steps. ;-) Hence backup, not format shift.

palmotea 2y ago

> I'm still WAY better off with my solar panels and ALL the books on an external hard drive. No you're not. One component is your setup gets fried and you lose access to everything. Paper is its own reader device: it's far more resilient, because it has much few dependencies for use. Just think about digital archiving vs paper archiving for a bit, and it becomes clear. > I can't think of ANY situation where a print out of Wikipedia would be better than a digital version. Wikipedia would be of little practical value in a post collapse situation. And frankly, it's pretty terrible now for anything besides satisfying idle curiosity.