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huh? it is auto-generated C as described in the post

by edge17 14y ago

jfoutz 14y ago
By that logic, it's written in machine code.
- edge17 14y ago
  no, autogenerated C code means someone (maybe a build script) runs a Python script that generates a bunch of C files, and then the C compiler picks up those files. Those C files exist in the file tree and may be human readable. C files are being generated, not machine code, by some script. Fairly common practice in large C projects that have complex/heavily conditionals where you're less likely to introduce incorrect conditions if you let program logic printf your code to a file
  - EdiX 14y ago
    You can tell gcc to keep around the assembly files it generates and it is human readable, does it mean that C code compiled with gcc is actually written in assembly? Is the litmus that they are caching the intermediates of the compilation on disk instead of throwing them away and regenerating them every time?
    - zvrba 14y ago
      Early C++ compilers actually translated C++ source to C source for compilation by C compiler. Does that mean that the original source was C, not C++?
    - edge17 14y ago
      no, but there is a guy that wrote some python that prints out C code into a file. that is what auto-generating C code means. the caching of intermediates and regenerating of the C files is the business of the Makefile
      - sophacles 14y ago
        You are now officially being disingenuous. Stop it. Read the posts and apply thinking skills. A auto-generated means (by definition) programmers did not write the C code, they wrote something else. By ANALOGY (here is a definition with examples, since you seem to not understand analogy: http://grammar.about.com/od/rhetoricstyle/f/qanalogy07.htm http://grammar.about.com/od/rhetoricstyle/f/qanalogy07.htm ), the argument the Curiosity code was written in C, is the same as me saying my C code is actually written in machine code (raw high and low bits), since the machine code is generated by my compiler, even though I actually wrote C.
        edge17 14y ago
        It sounds like you are saying that auto-generating refers only to DSL's. Here is an example of a guy writing some code that printf's some C code - http://www.opensource.apple.com/source/zlib/zlib-37.2/zlib/crc32.c http://www.opensource.apple.com/source/zlib/zlib-37.2/zlib/c... FILE *out; out = fopen("crc32.h", "w"); if (out == NULL) return; fprintf(out, "/* crc32.h -- tables for rapid CRC calculation\n"); fprintf(out, " * Generated automatically by crc32.c\n */\n\n"); fprintf(out, "local const unsigned long FAR "); fprintf(out, "crc_table[TBLS][256] =\n{\n {\n"); write_table(out, crc_table[0]); This example is in zlib. Whether it's the 'pretty' way to do it or not, this isn't a terribly uncommon thing to see in C code bases. In this case, this is a lookup table. Code is a tool, "auto-generating" code is not some fancy term, all it means is a button was pushed and a bunch of code came out the other end. Having worked on large C codebases, we used to do this sort of stuff all the time. Maybe it's the dumb way of doing things, but when you work on large teams that all maintain the same codebase, dumb and readable is more important than cleverness sometimes.
        sophacles 14y ago
        This doesn't change the point the top-level comment was making. Even if some N lines of C spit out some M lines of different C (hopefully with N < M), the actual code written by the programmers is the code that should be counted, not the generated code. In the case you describe, the language used to generate the code is C, but the concept doesnt change. This is where you are being disingenuous by means of pointless pedantry.
rat87 14y ago
A scheme or haskell(or c++) program that is compiled with a compiler that uses c as an intermediate form is still a scheme/haskell/c++ program. Even if the intermediate code is analyzed by a static analyzer or humans(especially if it's not modified, but possibly to some extent even if the intermediate code is slightly modified or used by other intermediate code written by hand) the source language is the actual language.

huh? it is auto-generated C as described in the post

by edge17 14y ago

huh? it is auto-generated C as described in the post

jfoutz 14y ago

By that logic, it's written in machine code.

edge17 14y ago
no, autogenerated C code means someone (maybe a build script) runs a Python script that generates a bunch of C files, and then the C compiler picks up those files. Those C files exist in the file tree and may be human readable. C files are being generated, not machine code, by some script. Fairly common practice in large C projects that have complex/heavily conditionals where you're less likely to introduce incorrect conditions if you let program logic printf your code to a file
- EdiX 14y ago
  You can tell gcc to keep around the assembly files it generates and it is human readable, does it mean that C code compiled with gcc is actually written in assembly? Is the litmus that they are caching the intermediates of the compilation on disk instead of throwing them away and regenerating them every time?
  - zvrba 14y ago
    Early C++ compilers actually translated C++ source to C source for compilation by C compiler. Does that mean that the original source was C, not C++?
  - edge17 14y ago
    no, but there is a guy that wrote some python that prints out C code into a file. that is what auto-generating C code means. the caching of intermediates and regenerating of the C files is the business of the Makefile
    - sophacles 14y ago
      You are now officially being disingenuous. Stop it. Read the posts and apply thinking skills. A auto-generated means (by definition) programmers did not write the C code, they wrote something else. By ANALOGY (here is a definition with examples, since you seem to not understand analogy: http://grammar.about.com/od/rhetoricstyle/f/qanalogy07.htm http://grammar.about.com/od/rhetoricstyle/f/qanalogy07.htm ), the argument the Curiosity code was written in C, is the same as me saying my C code is actually written in machine code (raw high and low bits), since the machine code is generated by my compiler, even though I actually wrote C.
      - edge17 14y ago
        It sounds like you are saying that auto-generating refers only to DSL's. Here is an example of a guy writing some code that printf's some C code - http://www.opensource.apple.com/source/zlib/zlib-37.2/zlib/crc32.c http://www.opensource.apple.com/source/zlib/zlib-37.2/zlib/c... FILE *out; out = fopen("crc32.h", "w"); if (out == NULL) return; fprintf(out, "/* crc32.h -- tables for rapid CRC calculation\n"); fprintf(out, " * Generated automatically by crc32.c\n */\n\n"); fprintf(out, "local const unsigned long FAR "); fprintf(out, "crc_table[TBLS][256] =\n{\n {\n"); write_table(out, crc_table[0]); This example is in zlib. Whether it's the 'pretty' way to do it or not, this isn't a terribly uncommon thing to see in C code bases. In this case, this is a lookup table. Code is a tool, "auto-generating" code is not some fancy term, all it means is a button was pushed and a bunch of code came out the other end. Having worked on large C codebases, we used to do this sort of stuff all the time. Maybe it's the dumb way of doing things, but when you work on large teams that all maintain the same codebase, dumb and readable is more important than cleverness sometimes.
        sophacles 14y ago
        This doesn't change the point the top-level comment was making. Even if some N lines of C spit out some M lines of different C (hopefully with N < M), the actual code written by the programmers is the code that should be counted, not the generated code. In the case you describe, the language used to generate the code is C, but the concept doesnt change. This is where you are being disingenuous by means of pointless pedantry.

rat87 14y ago

A scheme or haskell(or c++) program that is compiled with a compiler that uses c as an intermediate form is still a scheme/haskell/c++ program. Even if the intermediate code is analyzed by a static analyzer or humans(especially if it's not modified, but possibly to some extent even if the intermediate code is slightly modified or used by other intermediate code written by hand) the source language is the actual language.