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> Pre-LLM, I'd get all my practice done during work hours. I fear that with LLMs, I'll need to do all this practice on my free time If you can attach a valid b

> Pre-LLM, I'd get all my practice done during work hours. I fear that with LLMs, I'll need to do all this practice on my free time If you can attach a valid business reason/excuse then it's fairly easy to get time dedicated to experimentation and learning. I haven't been a coder for several years now, but I still try to justify a personal lab environment in order to understand the market and customer problems. If you're an Engineer or EM, I think it would be even easier (attach experimentation to some sort of critical engineering initiative). Even with Code Gen Copilots becoming a thing, between the lines most of us in engineering and business leadership recognize it cannot replace architecture or design. If it can, then you've solved the Turing or Chinese Room problem and that's a whole other story. That said, if your day job isn't only "write this terraform/python script" you shouldn't be at risk.

BeetleB 2y ago
> If you can attach a valid business reason/excuse then it's fairly easy to get time dedicated to experimentation and learning. This has the same problem as "doing it in free time". I have a finite number of goodie points with management, and I'd be using some when I request this - which means I have fewer things I can request from them in the future. > That said, if your day job isn't only "write this terraform/python script" you shouldn't be at risk. I'm not worried about the present, or even the near future. The reason I have other valuable skills is because of the years I spent on writing code. Eventually, I'll stop growing if I rely too much on LLMs. I may have to rely on them if everyone else is and being more productive.
CamperBob2 2y ago
The Turing test can be considered well and truly passed at this point, partially because it has always said more about the human taking the test than it did about the machine. As for the Chinese Room, it was never anything but a pointless exercise in question-begging. If anyone ever considered it relevant, the advent of LLMs should have immediately convinced them otherwise. Searle knew nothing about embedding vectors, never mind attention. Great points otherwise, though. A strong focus on identifying, understanding, and solving customer problems is, in modern parlance, all you need.

BeetleB 2y ago

> If you can attach a valid business reason/excuse then it's fairly easy to get time dedicated to experimentation and learning. This has the same problem as "doing it in free time". I have a finite number of goodie points with management, and I'd be using some when I request this - which means I have fewer things I can request from them in the future. > That said, if your day job isn't only "write this terraform/python script" you shouldn't be at risk. I'm not worried about the present, or even the near future. The reason I have other valuable skills is because of the years I spent on writing code. Eventually, I'll stop growing if I rely too much on LLMs. I may have to rely on them if everyone else is and being more productive.

CamperBob2 2y ago

The Turing test can be considered well and truly passed at this point, partially because it has always said more about the human taking the test than it did about the machine. As for the Chinese Room, it was never anything but a pointless exercise in question-begging. If anyone ever considered it relevant, the advent of LLMs should have immediately convinced them otherwise. Searle knew nothing about embedding vectors, never mind attention. Great points otherwise, though. A strong focus on identifying, understanding, and solving customer problems is, in modern parlance, all you need.