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It's been a few days since I read that article but wasn't she unaware her visa had expired? Either way, the way she was treated was barbaric and if I had the go

by bink 2y ago

It's been a few days since I read that article but wasn't she unaware her visa had expired? Either way, the way she was treated was barbaric and if I had the good fortune to be Canadian I wouldn't risk it either.

runako 2y ago
It appears that she was at the border crossing to have her work visa processed. The resolution was that due to prior visa issues, she needed to apply for her visa at a consulate. Then they imprisoned her. As the story goes, she did nothing wrong and did not present invalid/expired paperwork. I don't know how the US process works, but long ago when I worked in a foreign country, I was required to leave the country and get my work visa added to my passport upon reentry. Reading that article made me consider that she might have been in a similar situation, only she was incarcerated for two weeks in subhuman conditions due to (at most) a clerical error. It's really a risk for people who are not US citizens to cross our borders right now.
- philistine 2y ago
  > The resolution was that due to prior visa issues, she needed to apply for her visa at a consulate. Then they imprisoned her. Since all your ICE holding facilites are privately run, the incentive is to get people into incarceration as soon as possible and to keep them there as long as possible. Before Trump came back, the gloves were on and the capitalists running those prisons only made bank on the darker shades of people, but with Trump back it's time to make money with all the skin colours!
- pclmulqdq 2y ago
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  - stirlo 2y ago
    Are these just alternative facts and MAGA talking points or do you have any proof from a reputable source for what you stated?
    - pclmulqdq 2y ago
      These are not "MAGA talking points." I speak my own opinions. And they come from bringing a modicum of critical thinking to a situation where people (including the MAGAs, I might add, who want to scare people away) are trying to get you to catastrophize. And like I said, the only source of this we will ever have is a very biased one whose story is as untrustworthy as Alex Jones' would be. Most of these CBP agents are the same people who had the job 6 months ago. And 6 months ago, people who lied (possibly by omission) on visa applications largely got exactly this treatment. The news just didn't report on it.
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  - runako 2y ago
    Let's say I buy that #1, #2, or #3 of your scenarios are what really happened. Let's say I buy it without any reservations or modifications. Let's make the position even stronger by stipulating that she has been charged with something and none of the reporting covered that, because obviously any narrative falls apart if e.g. she assaulted someone and was not charged or arraigned after weeks of incarceration. Let's buy the strongest version of your entire party line, in other words. It's still a terrible situation that would involve ICE making up procedures to supersede our actual laws. We have laws and procedures that cover all of these things, from disorderly conduct to criminal trespass to assault. None of these laws are new; all are well-tested in courts in front of juries and judges. Equally, none of them include weeks of pre-trial detention without bail. (Also, one would be able to independently find the arrest and court records now.) Which, maybe ICE is allowed to make up law on the spot. But that further solidifies my initial point that it is very risky for any non-citizen to cross any US border right now due to wildly unpredictable procedures and uncertainty as to whether existing US laws will apply or not.
    - pclmulqdq 2y ago
      I'm not sure why you think they need new laws to detain you and deport a non-citizen, especially when your paperwork is no good. If you show up to a US border checkpoint and you are not a US citizen, that is standard procedure. It is also a situation where border control has very, very broad powers and entrants have very few of the protections that you might think they have. These are not wildly unpredictable procedures, and as far as I can tell, they have basically not changed - enforcement of illegal crossings is going up a lot, though. The huge difference between now and 6 months ago is that reporters are now seeking out these stories (see how Obama's CBP was putting kids in cages for years without a peep and it took until Trump's first term to get any reporting on the conditions under which families were detained). The same goes at most other country borders. If I try to force my way into Germany (for example) with no permission to enter and then refuse to leave, you better believe I am headed to a German prison until they can make arrangements to deport me. It's messy and gross business, certainly. People getting arrested usually is. It is not something to fearmonger over, though, to the millions of visitors who have clean and valid permission to enter the US.

by bink 2y ago

runako 2y ago

It appears that she was at the border crossing to have her work visa processed. The resolution was that due to prior visa issues, she needed to apply for her visa at a consulate. Then they imprisoned her. As the story goes, she did nothing wrong and did not present invalid/expired paperwork. I don't know how the US process works, but long ago when I worked in a foreign country, I was required to leave the country and get my work visa added to my passport upon reentry. Reading that article made me consider that she might have been in a similar situation, only she was incarcerated for two weeks in subhuman conditions due to (at most) a clerical error. It's really a risk for people who are not US citizens to cross our borders right now.

philistine 2y ago
> The resolution was that due to prior visa issues, she needed to apply for her visa at a consulate. Then they imprisoned her. Since all your ICE holding facilites are privately run, the incentive is to get people into incarceration as soon as possible and to keep them there as long as possible. Before Trump came back, the gloves were on and the capitalists running those prisons only made bank on the darker shades of people, but with Trump back it's time to make money with all the skin colours!
pclmulqdq 2y ago
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- stirlo 2y ago
  Are these just alternative facts and MAGA talking points or do you have any proof from a reputable source for what you stated?
  - pclmulqdq 2y ago
    These are not "MAGA talking points." I speak my own opinions. And they come from bringing a modicum of critical thinking to a situation where people (including the MAGAs, I might add, who want to scare people away) are trying to get you to catastrophize. And like I said, the only source of this we will ever have is a very biased one whose story is as untrustworthy as Alex Jones' would be. Most of these CBP agents are the same people who had the job 6 months ago. And 6 months ago, people who lied (possibly by omission) on visa applications largely got exactly this treatment. The news just didn't report on it.
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- runako 2y ago
  Let's say I buy that #1, #2, or #3 of your scenarios are what really happened. Let's say I buy it without any reservations or modifications. Let's make the position even stronger by stipulating that she has been charged with something and none of the reporting covered that, because obviously any narrative falls apart if e.g. she assaulted someone and was not charged or arraigned after weeks of incarceration. Let's buy the strongest version of your entire party line, in other words. It's still a terrible situation that would involve ICE making up procedures to supersede our actual laws. We have laws and procedures that cover all of these things, from disorderly conduct to criminal trespass to assault. None of these laws are new; all are well-tested in courts in front of juries and judges. Equally, none of them include weeks of pre-trial detention without bail. (Also, one would be able to independently find the arrest and court records now.) Which, maybe ICE is allowed to make up law on the spot. But that further solidifies my initial point that it is very risky for any non-citizen to cross any US border right now due to wildly unpredictable procedures and uncertainty as to whether existing US laws will apply or not.
  - pclmulqdq 2y ago
    I'm not sure why you think they need new laws to detain you and deport a non-citizen, especially when your paperwork is no good. If you show up to a US border checkpoint and you are not a US citizen, that is standard procedure. It is also a situation where border control has very, very broad powers and entrants have very few of the protections that you might think they have. These are not wildly unpredictable procedures, and as far as I can tell, they have basically not changed - enforcement of illegal crossings is going up a lot, though. The huge difference between now and 6 months ago is that reporters are now seeking out these stories (see how Obama's CBP was putting kids in cages for years without a peep and it took until Trump's first term to get any reporting on the conditions under which families were detained). The same goes at most other country borders. If I try to force my way into Germany (for example) with no permission to enter and then refuse to leave, you better believe I am headed to a German prison until they can make arrangements to deport me. It's messy and gross business, certainly. People getting arrested usually is. It is not something to fearmonger over, though, to the millions of visitors who have clean and valid permission to enter the US.