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An understandable question, but as a Canadian flying to the US you will almost creatively complete US preclearance while still on Canadian soil, meaning you can
by decimalenough 2y ago
An understandable question, but as a Canadian flying to the US you will almost creatively complete US preclearance while still on Canadian soil, meaning you can get turned away but cannot be physically detained by ICE.
- maximilianburke 2y agoICE picking up people off the street is a thing that is now happening too.
- SketchySeaBeast 2y agoAnd they've decided that "Collateral Arrests" are acceptable.
- morkalork 2y agoThis really needs to be emphasized because of how absurd it is: Collateral arrests.
- bilbo0s 2y agoI know this is little comfort to foreign born or immigrants, but we actually have been doing that to our own citizens forever. We just expanded the practice to border enforcement so foreign born and immigrants are now being caught up in the practice.
- kristopolous 2y ago"because rules" isn't valid in the context of the US right now. The faith, respect and trust of the US to follow its own rules is utterly destroyed. It's really hard to overstate that the trust level is now a hard zero and it's likely staying there for decades.
- decimalenough 2y agoIt's not rules, it's physics. The airport preclearance stations are on Canadian soil and don't contain US-operated jails, all the CBP can do is hand you over to Canadian police.
- kristopolous 2y agoBut once you're in the US, and then you eventually have to leave which means you see officials ... trust level 0 means trust level 0. Let's put this another way as an extreme. If this relationship existed for somewhere like Myanmar, Yemen or Turkmenistan it doesn't mean you can trust your safety once you're in the country. Many Americans refuse to travel to Mexico on this premise. This is what I'm talking about. The US is now on that list.
- zawaideh 2y agoThey can detain you and have done that since the preclearance area is considered US soil.
- arcticbull 2y agoIt is not US soil, it is not an embassy. Actions there are governed by the Preclearance Act (which is reciprocal, btw, Canada has the right to open precleance facilities in the US - it just hasn't made sense due to the relative volume of flights). They can only detain you until they hand you over to the Canadian police. [1] Section (2) clearly states... > (2) A preclearance officer is not permitted to exercise any powers of questioning or interrogation, examination, search, seizure, forfeiture, detention or arrest that are conferred under the laws of the United States. [1] https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/P-19.32/FullText.html https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/P-19.32/FullText.ht...
- rectang 2y agoYou're some rando on the internet, while the current American government is making a big show about ignoring the rule of law when it comes to deporting people. Nothing you say is going to reassure anybody. Hell, nothing anybody says is going to reassure anyone, from past presidents to the Speaker of the House to SCOTUS justices.
- arcticbull 2y agoI'm not trying to reassure anyone. I'm explaining that US pre clearance is not US soil, it's Canadian soil, and what they can do there is very limited relative to what they can do in the US at actual US ports of entry. The "preclearance is US soil thing" is a common misunderstanding.
- senderista 2y agoWhy would you think the Trump regime would respect Canadian sovereignty in this case when he has literally threatened to annex the country?