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Since US citizens have no reason not to visit Canada (unless you count the return crossing), I suppose this will strengthen the already very healthy internation

Since US citizens have no reason not to visit Canada (unless you count the return crossing), I suppose this will strengthen the already very healthy international conferences taking place there.

0cf8612b2e1e 2y ago
The return crossing is a huge concern. I have already decided I am not comfortable taking any international trips for the foreseeable future. I do not need thugs at the border to give me a hard time because they feel empowered to do whatever they want. My non-white (but Americans born) partner is even more concerned. Sure, they have to let you back into the country, but they can make it painful.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  As an American citizen, you can refuse to have your electronics searched to reenter the US. I flew back in from Costa Rica to ATL and went through customs. Nothing has changed. I’m flying into BUF in July and taking a cab to the Canadian side of Niagara Falls and back. We will see what happens.
  - suzzer99 2y ago
    You can refuse, but does that mean 8 hours on a hard plastic chair in a waiting room?
    - vkou 2y ago
      For a regime that's brazenly breaking the law, the upper boundary to what they can do to you is unlimited. If they can put people onto an airplane and fly them to a Salvadoran gulag in the middle of recess in a court case about how they can't do that - and then laugh about it - the law is very clearly not a limit they care about. I have doubts that waving your passport or your service medals in their face will at the end of the day, prove very convincing either.
  - teknopaul 2y ago
    If you are a white US citizen you have nothing to be concerned about. Unless you have friends, family or empathy.
    - KerrAvon 2y ago
      Brown green card holders have it worst, but white, native-born US citizens are fucked too. The agent can decide you look Mexican to him; the agent can decide you're not sufficiently enthusiastic about Trump. And if there's no due process for non-citizens, there's no due process for citizens either. That congress is allowing this to happen is deeply, deeply fucked.
      - A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 2y ago
        Yep, without going into too much detail. My sister had a green card, is white, and clearly got a bored customs agent, because she got held in the little room with all the 'problem cases' for a couple of hours. It doesn't take much..
  - more_corn 2y ago
    While you can do that they can make your life hell. I encourage you to do it and report back for everyone here.
  - Fauntleroy 2y ago
    This presumes the government will be acting in good faith, which is increasingly unlikely day to day.
  - yieldcrv 2y ago
    ICE scooped up citizens and didn’t listen to them for weeks, way before this administration one of the failings behind their unprofessionalism is that the civil case treatment doesnt afford the same protections and right to legal counsel as a criminal case is this one of those things you need a source for, or can you listen to the concerns of other people and find the source yourself
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > As an American citizen, you can refuse to have your electronics searched to reenter the US Sure. And lose your day to being held for fuck all. Like I hear you, and I absolutely have the vindictive streak that would drive me to do this under the right circumstances. But you should be prepared to be detained, harassed, all while maintaining your cool and collecting detailed mental notes for follow through with a lawsuit.
    - pclmulqdq 2y ago
      Memorize your lawyer's phone number, and make sure you can get to a phone.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > Memorize your lawyer's phone number, and make sure you can get to a phone If you’re planning on pulling a stunt like this, a better plan is to have someone on the outside who will call your lawyer. Or better yet, tell your lawyer what you’re doing so they can call you.
        pclmulqdq 2y ago
        What "stunt" are you referring to? Placing a call to your lawyer so they can get you out of a bad situation?
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > What "stunt" are you referring to? Refusing to be searched at the border.
    - jyounker 2y ago
      And don't forget that you will then be harassed every time you cross the boarder again. After all, you're one of those trouble makers.
      - 2y ago
  - whatever1 2y ago
    Unless you are naturalized in which case there might be suspicions that were illegally naturalized (for example you did not disclose all social media handles that you own in your application). Or you could be a birthright citizen in which case you can be detained just to be the test subject in the supreme court case. In summary no one is safe except Trump at this point.
  - jfim 2y ago
    Can you actually take a cab across a border? I've never tried, but I'd assume cab drivers wouldn't want to cross a border. I'm curious to see how that would work.
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      Not a regular cab. There are specialty companies that you can find on sites like Viator.
      - jfim 2y ago
        Gotcha, that makes sense.

Since US citizens have no reason not to visit Canada (unless you count the return crossing), I suppose this will strengthen the already very healthy international conferences taking place there.

0cf8612b2e1e 2y ago

The return crossing is a huge concern. I have already decided I am not comfortable taking any international trips for the foreseeable future. I do not need thugs at the border to give me a hard time because they feel empowered to do whatever they want. My non-white (but Americans born) partner is even more concerned. Sure, they have to let you back into the country, but they can make it painful.

scarface_74 2y ago
As an American citizen, you can refuse to have your electronics searched to reenter the US. I flew back in from Costa Rica to ATL and went through customs. Nothing has changed. I’m flying into BUF in July and taking a cab to the Canadian side of Niagara Falls and back. We will see what happens.
- suzzer99 2y ago
  You can refuse, but does that mean 8 hours on a hard plastic chair in a waiting room?
  - vkou 2y ago
    For a regime that's brazenly breaking the law, the upper boundary to what they can do to you is unlimited. If they can put people onto an airplane and fly them to a Salvadoran gulag in the middle of recess in a court case about how they can't do that - and then laugh about it - the law is very clearly not a limit they care about. I have doubts that waving your passport or your service medals in their face will at the end of the day, prove very convincing either.
- teknopaul 2y ago
  If you are a white US citizen you have nothing to be concerned about. Unless you have friends, family or empathy.
  - KerrAvon 2y ago
    Brown green card holders have it worst, but white, native-born US citizens are fucked too. The agent can decide you look Mexican to him; the agent can decide you're not sufficiently enthusiastic about Trump. And if there's no due process for non-citizens, there's no due process for citizens either. That congress is allowing this to happen is deeply, deeply fucked.
    - A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 2y ago
      Yep, without going into too much detail. My sister had a green card, is white, and clearly got a bored customs agent, because she got held in the little room with all the 'problem cases' for a couple of hours. It doesn't take much..
- more_corn 2y ago
  While you can do that they can make your life hell. I encourage you to do it and report back for everyone here.
- Fauntleroy 2y ago
  This presumes the government will be acting in good faith, which is increasingly unlikely day to day.
- yieldcrv 2y ago
  ICE scooped up citizens and didn’t listen to them for weeks, way before this administration one of the failings behind their unprofessionalism is that the civil case treatment doesnt afford the same protections and right to legal counsel as a criminal case is this one of those things you need a source for, or can you listen to the concerns of other people and find the source yourself
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > As an American citizen, you can refuse to have your electronics searched to reenter the US Sure. And lose your day to being held for fuck all. Like I hear you, and I absolutely have the vindictive streak that would drive me to do this under the right circumstances. But you should be prepared to be detained, harassed, all while maintaining your cool and collecting detailed mental notes for follow through with a lawsuit.
  - pclmulqdq 2y ago
    Memorize your lawyer's phone number, and make sure you can get to a phone.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > Memorize your lawyer's phone number, and make sure you can get to a phone If you’re planning on pulling a stunt like this, a better plan is to have someone on the outside who will call your lawyer. Or better yet, tell your lawyer what you’re doing so they can call you.
      - pclmulqdq 2y ago
        What "stunt" are you referring to? Placing a call to your lawyer so they can get you out of a bad situation?
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > What "stunt" are you referring to? Refusing to be searched at the border.
  - jyounker 2y ago
    And don't forget that you will then be harassed every time you cross the boarder again. After all, you're one of those trouble makers.
    - 2y ago
- whatever1 2y ago
  Unless you are naturalized in which case there might be suspicions that were illegally naturalized (for example you did not disclose all social media handles that you own in your application). Or you could be a birthright citizen in which case you can be detained just to be the test subject in the supreme court case. In summary no one is safe except Trump at this point.
- jfim 2y ago
  Can you actually take a cab across a border? I've never tried, but I'd assume cab drivers wouldn't want to cross a border. I'm curious to see how that would work.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    Not a regular cab. There are specialty companies that you can find on sites like Viator.
    - jfim 2y ago
      Gotcha, that makes sense.