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It’s originally based on simple disrespect. Canadians are LIVID that their best friend country just changed its personality to one of betrayal and derision. Th

It’s originally based on simple disrespect. Canadians are LIVID that their best friend country just changed its personality to one of betrayal and derision. The second factor is multiple stories this month of non-criminals being treated like terrorists in cells and extrajudicial abuse. The US now looks like North Korea from the outside.

briandear 2y ago
Canada had tariffs before Trump. Now Canada is mad about the U.S. having tariffs? Canada can engage in protectionism but when others return the favor, it’s a problem?
- pavlov 2y ago
  Have you noticed that Trump is threatening to invade Canada? That’s what “annex” means. It’s not a joke for him. He wants it to be his legacy.
- wk_end 2y ago
  We negotiated a trade agreement with not just the US but the prior Trump administration specifically. The US is now in violation of that agreement based on justifications that are - charitably - idiotic misunderstandings (conflating a trade deficit with subsidization), blatant nonsense (the idea that "Canadian fentanyl" constitutes a national emergency), or constitute simple outright attacks on our sovereignty. Canada, through the (actually fairly limited!) existing free trade exceptions in NAFTA/USMCA - which, again, Trump agreed to in the past and, in his usually banal hyperlative word salad, described as "beautiful" and "wonderful" and "perfect" and "the best ever" - did not violate an established agreement. And, more importantly, Canada certainly hasn't gone on for months about how the US isn't a real country, shouldn't be entitled to self-governance, and how we're going to leverage our power to annex it. It's hardly "returning the favour".
- ipaddr 2y ago
  Tariffs are one thing but threatening to annex Canada, calling them the worst and making up fake reasons for the tariffs. A sensible discussion can be made on tariffs and why smaller countries may need them to protect against economies of scale but the rest is nonsense that creates anger.
Pet_Ant 2y ago
The US was never our friend. More like an abusive older sibling: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93United_States_softwood_lumber_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93United_States_s... Unfortunately we are dependent on them. Hopefully, this will cause us to start weening ourselves off of a single predatory partner.
- thangalin 2y ago
  > The US was never our friend. Wouldn't U.S. assistance during WWI, WWII, NORAD, Afghanistan, the 1917 Halifax Explosion, the 2008 financial crisis, the 2016 Fort McMurray Wildfires, the COVID-19 pandemic, and other instances of disaster relief count as gestures of friendship? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93United_States_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93United_States_r... "The United States has no closer and no more important friend than Canada ... And when we work together, as the closest of friends should, we only make each other stronger." https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/02/23/remarks-by-president-biden-and-prime-minister-trudeau-of-canada-in-joint-press-statements/ https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/speeches-...
  - Pet_Ant 2y ago
    > WWII So fighting the Nazis was a favor and not a moral obligation? A war they didn't enter until Nazi-aligned Japan attacked? > WWI I believe the US didn't enter until the sinking of the Lusitania. > Afghanistan Isn't that a Canadian favor to the US? > the 2008 financial crisis Precipitated by American deregulation and excess? What a gift! I'm not saying the US is entirely bad, but let's not confuse small kindnesses with friendship. The lack of backlash to Trump's comments I think speaks volumes to the condescension that lurked for years. Even the "loving" comments about being America's hat. Or jokes and charicatures about Canadians that would be consider racist about anyone else. No, America was never Canada's friend. Sometimes an agreeable coworker.
    - sndean 2y ago
      > No, America was never Canada's friend. I'm inclined to agree simply because "friend" is too gentle of a term. But, if that's true, then which country has America really been friends with? It seems like if not Canada, then there's none. That may be true, but at least initially surprising.

briandear 2y ago

Canada had tariffs before Trump. Now Canada is mad about the U.S. having tariffs? Canada can engage in protectionism but when others return the favor, it’s a problem?

pavlov 2y ago
Have you noticed that Trump is threatening to invade Canada? That’s what “annex” means. It’s not a joke for him. He wants it to be his legacy.
wk_end 2y ago
We negotiated a trade agreement with not just the US but the prior Trump administration specifically. The US is now in violation of that agreement based on justifications that are - charitably - idiotic misunderstandings (conflating a trade deficit with subsidization), blatant nonsense (the idea that "Canadian fentanyl" constitutes a national emergency), or constitute simple outright attacks on our sovereignty. Canada, through the (actually fairly limited!) existing free trade exceptions in NAFTA/USMCA - which, again, Trump agreed to in the past and, in his usually banal hyperlative word salad, described as "beautiful" and "wonderful" and "perfect" and "the best ever" - did not violate an established agreement. And, more importantly, Canada certainly hasn't gone on for months about how the US isn't a real country, shouldn't be entitled to self-governance, and how we're going to leverage our power to annex it. It's hardly "returning the favour".
ipaddr 2y ago
Tariffs are one thing but threatening to annex Canada, calling them the worst and making up fake reasons for the tariffs. A sensible discussion can be made on tariffs and why smaller countries may need them to protect against economies of scale but the rest is nonsense that creates anger.

Pet_Ant 2y ago

The US was never our friend. More like an abusive older sibling: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93United_States_softwood_lumber_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93United_States_s... Unfortunately we are dependent on them. Hopefully, this will cause us to start weening ourselves off of a single predatory partner.

thangalin 2y ago
> The US was never our friend. Wouldn't U.S. assistance during WWI, WWII, NORAD, Afghanistan, the 1917 Halifax Explosion, the 2008 financial crisis, the 2016 Fort McMurray Wildfires, the COVID-19 pandemic, and other instances of disaster relief count as gestures of friendship? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93United_States_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93United_States_r... "The United States has no closer and no more important friend than Canada ... And when we work together, as the closest of friends should, we only make each other stronger." https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/02/23/remarks-by-president-biden-and-prime-minister-trudeau-of-canada-in-joint-press-statements/ https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/speeches-...
- Pet_Ant 2y ago
  > WWII So fighting the Nazis was a favor and not a moral obligation? A war they didn't enter until Nazi-aligned Japan attacked? > WWI I believe the US didn't enter until the sinking of the Lusitania. > Afghanistan Isn't that a Canadian favor to the US? > the 2008 financial crisis Precipitated by American deregulation and excess? What a gift! I'm not saying the US is entirely bad, but let's not confuse small kindnesses with friendship. The lack of backlash to Trump's comments I think speaks volumes to the condescension that lurked for years. Even the "loving" comments about being America's hat. Or jokes and charicatures about Canadians that would be consider racist about anyone else. No, America was never Canada's friend. Sometimes an agreeable coworker.
  - sndean 2y ago
    > No, America was never Canada's friend. I'm inclined to agree simply because "friend" is too gentle of a term. But, if that's true, then which country has America really been friends with? It seems like if not Canada, then there's none. That may be true, but at least initially surprising.