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It it extraordinary watching a small team lead by a convicted felon tear down the US from the inside with seemingly full authority.

by deskr 2y ago

twothreeone 2y ago
History repeats?
- littlestymaar 2y ago
  “The first time as a tragedy, and the second time as a farce”
wg0 2y ago
The most corrupt immoral indecent stupid lunatic ever to rule in US history.
genocidicbunny 2y ago
An extremely important point to add -- it's a small team, but cheered by a huge proportion of the US population.
- TheOtherHobbes 2y ago
  Not with those popularity figures, there aren't. Reality is there are zero pro-Trump rallies, and plenty of very angry former Trump voters making their rage felt at Town Halls. This will only get worse over time as cuts to essential services start to bite hard. I've said all along I think the MAGA cult thing is going to blow up in the faces of the people making this happen.
  - genocidicbunny 2y ago
    I live relatively close to a fairly red-voting area of the state, and have talked to some of the people at those town halls. I got the impression that for many, their rage isn't that Trump's admin is doing these things, but that they're doing these things to them. The subtext of course is that it'd be fine if it was only happening to other people, as long as their lives weren't affected. Anecdotally, only one person I talked to was willing to admit that they would have voted differently if they knew what was actually to come (which they should have given the first take at his presidency.) Also anecdotally, many that do seem to be raging at what's happening at the federal level don't have much concern with their local politicians being cut from more or less the same cloth. Granted the local ones, especially in lower-population areas, know they might actually have to face their constituents in their day-to-day lives, so tend to spout rhetoric without acting much on it, so there's less to rage about at them. > I've said all along I think the MAGA cult thing is going to blow up in the faces of the people making this happen. Maybe, but unfortunately we're all in the last radius.
    - rsynnott 2y ago
      > Anecdotally, only one person I talked to was willing to admit that they would have voted differently if they knew what was actually to come (which they should have given the first take at his presidency.) One interesting thing that showed up before the US election in 2008 was the bizarrely small number of people claiming to have voted for Bush. It was a big enough effect that it messed up the polling to some extent. Some unhappy Trump voters are likely claiming not to have voted, now.
- bryanlarsen 2y ago
  A "huge proportion" is about 10%. Republicans are 30% of the population, and only about 1/3 of Republicans self-identify as MAGA. A majority of independents vote Republican, but a negligible fraction of those identify as MAGA. 10% of the US is still huge in absolute terms, though.
  - daedrdev 2y ago
    They will come up with any excuse to support any of trumps policies. People who choose not to vote are ok with either party in power.
  - coliveira 2y ago
    MAGA or not they ALL voted for him and continue to support his presidency.
  - BugsJustFindMe 2y ago
    What the Trump presidency is doing now is exactly what they said they would do, so anyone who voted for Trump in the last presidential election directly approved of these policies. Nothing good comes from obfuscating the relationship between voting for him and supporting him.
    - bryanlarsen 2y ago
      The OP said "cheered for". Most people I know who voted for Trump claim to have done so "because the alternative is worse". They weren't cheering for Trump before or after the election.
      - BugsJustFindMe 2y ago
        > Most people I know who voted for Trump claim to have done so "because the alternative is worse". Worse in what way exactly? This kind of statement is a lot like the old "states' rights" pretense where the right in question was slavery -- the dishonesty is clear under even the barest comparative scrutiny.
x0x0 2y ago
And Canada seriously (and for good reason) considering militarizing our northern/their southern border. We're run by abject morons (see the Signal Corps running our military and lying to Congress while knowing full well the reporter has receipts). A 100+ year relationship being destroyed. Carney is now reviewing Canada's F-35 order. They'd be fools to buy from us.
- senderista 2y ago
  Carney just needs to leverage the fuck out of that contract instead of tearing it up outright. The defense lobby will always have the ear of the GOP.
  - lawn 2y ago
    Trump has already torpedoed any international trust in the world (maybe except for Israel). We'll see how much leverage the defense lobby has, but so far it doesn't seem like they have any sway at all.
- cmrdporcupine 2y ago
  Unfortunately the F35 thing is similar to many other things that are unfortunate about this relationship. We'd be a fool to buy them, but we will be absolutely punished if we don't. Last time this was under question Bombardier -- one of our largest companies, and employers -- started to "suddenly" lose contracts in the US and the Canadian gov't backpedaled (for other reasons as well) and went ahead with the F35. They're worried that will happen again That and so much money and time have already been invested on this, and the alternatives are not super compelling.
nukem222 2y ago
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kylehotchkiss 2y ago
The opposition party almost seemed like they wanted this outcome with the continued endorsement of Biden until nearly the very end
bsimpson 2y ago
To people who voted for Harris, "convicted felon" expands to "see - he's unqualified!" To people who voted for Trump, it expands to "see - he's the victim of partisan/predatory prosecution." Furthermore, it emboldens them to use the courts to advance their own partisan agenda. It feels like the robe of impartiality has been falling away from the justice system in an alarming way. People look the other way when the lack-of-impartiality leans the direction they want (SCOTUS making up the right to an abortion in Roe v Wade), but it's scary when it goes the other way. I dislike "convicted felon" as a descriptor for Trump. It serves as a dogwhistle rather than a helpful shorthand. He's an asshat, but he also got charged with a rare felony so his detractors could go around calling him by a name usually reserved for rapists and murderers. It doesn't signal anything meaningful, except that you're in the opposition, and it potentially riles up his adherents to also use the courts for revenge.
- amanaplanacanal 2y ago
  Well he is a rapist too. And if the documents charges from mar-a-lago had been allowed to go to trial he would have been fucked.

It it extraordinary watching a small team lead by a convicted felon tear down the US from the inside with seemingly full authority.

by deskr 2y ago

It it extraordinary watching a small team lead by a convicted felon tear down the US from the inside with seemingly full authority.

twothreeone 2y ago

History repeats?

littlestymaar 2y ago
“The first time as a tragedy, and the second time as a farce”

wg0 2y ago

The most corrupt immoral indecent stupid lunatic ever to rule in US history.

genocidicbunny 2y ago

An extremely important point to add -- it's a small team, but cheered by a huge proportion of the US population.

TheOtherHobbes 2y ago
Not with those popularity figures, there aren't. Reality is there are zero pro-Trump rallies, and plenty of very angry former Trump voters making their rage felt at Town Halls. This will only get worse over time as cuts to essential services start to bite hard. I've said all along I think the MAGA cult thing is going to blow up in the faces of the people making this happen.
- genocidicbunny 2y ago
  I live relatively close to a fairly red-voting area of the state, and have talked to some of the people at those town halls. I got the impression that for many, their rage isn't that Trump's admin is doing these things, but that they're doing these things to them. The subtext of course is that it'd be fine if it was only happening to other people, as long as their lives weren't affected. Anecdotally, only one person I talked to was willing to admit that they would have voted differently if they knew what was actually to come (which they should have given the first take at his presidency.) Also anecdotally, many that do seem to be raging at what's happening at the federal level don't have much concern with their local politicians being cut from more or less the same cloth. Granted the local ones, especially in lower-population areas, know they might actually have to face their constituents in their day-to-day lives, so tend to spout rhetoric without acting much on it, so there's less to rage about at them. > I've said all along I think the MAGA cult thing is going to blow up in the faces of the people making this happen. Maybe, but unfortunately we're all in the last radius.
  - rsynnott 2y ago
    > Anecdotally, only one person I talked to was willing to admit that they would have voted differently if they knew what was actually to come (which they should have given the first take at his presidency.) One interesting thing that showed up before the US election in 2008 was the bizarrely small number of people claiming to have voted for Bush. It was a big enough effect that it messed up the polling to some extent. Some unhappy Trump voters are likely claiming not to have voted, now.
bryanlarsen 2y ago
A "huge proportion" is about 10%. Republicans are 30% of the population, and only about 1/3 of Republicans self-identify as MAGA. A majority of independents vote Republican, but a negligible fraction of those identify as MAGA. 10% of the US is still huge in absolute terms, though.
- daedrdev 2y ago
  They will come up with any excuse to support any of trumps policies. People who choose not to vote are ok with either party in power.
- coliveira 2y ago
  MAGA or not they ALL voted for him and continue to support his presidency.
- BugsJustFindMe 2y ago
  What the Trump presidency is doing now is exactly what they said they would do, so anyone who voted for Trump in the last presidential election directly approved of these policies. Nothing good comes from obfuscating the relationship between voting for him and supporting him.
  - bryanlarsen 2y ago
    The OP said "cheered for". Most people I know who voted for Trump claim to have done so "because the alternative is worse". They weren't cheering for Trump before or after the election.
    - BugsJustFindMe 2y ago
      > Most people I know who voted for Trump claim to have done so "because the alternative is worse". Worse in what way exactly? This kind of statement is a lot like the old "states' rights" pretense where the right in question was slavery -- the dishonesty is clear under even the barest comparative scrutiny.

x0x0 2y ago

And Canada seriously (and for good reason) considering militarizing our northern/their southern border. We're run by abject morons (see the Signal Corps running our military and lying to Congress while knowing full well the reporter has receipts). A 100+ year relationship being destroyed. Carney is now reviewing Canada's F-35 order. They'd be fools to buy from us.

senderista 2y ago
Carney just needs to leverage the fuck out of that contract instead of tearing it up outright. The defense lobby will always have the ear of the GOP.
- lawn 2y ago
  Trump has already torpedoed any international trust in the world (maybe except for Israel). We'll see how much leverage the defense lobby has, but so far it doesn't seem like they have any sway at all.
cmrdporcupine 2y ago
Unfortunately the F35 thing is similar to many other things that are unfortunate about this relationship. We'd be a fool to buy them, but we will be absolutely punished if we don't. Last time this was under question Bombardier -- one of our largest companies, and employers -- started to "suddenly" lose contracts in the US and the Canadian gov't backpedaled (for other reasons as well) and went ahead with the F35. They're worried that will happen again That and so much money and time have already been invested on this, and the alternatives are not super compelling.

nukem222 2y ago

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kylehotchkiss 2y ago

The opposition party almost seemed like they wanted this outcome with the continued endorsement of Biden until nearly the very end

bsimpson 2y ago

To people who voted for Harris, "convicted felon" expands to "see - he's unqualified!" To people who voted for Trump, it expands to "see - he's the victim of partisan/predatory prosecution." Furthermore, it emboldens them to use the courts to advance their own partisan agenda. It feels like the robe of impartiality has been falling away from the justice system in an alarming way. People look the other way when the lack-of-impartiality leans the direction they want (SCOTUS making up the right to an abortion in Roe v Wade), but it's scary when it goes the other way. I dislike "convicted felon" as a descriptor for Trump. It serves as a dogwhistle rather than a helpful shorthand. He's an asshat, but he also got charged with a rare felony so his detractors could go around calling him by a name usually reserved for rapists and murderers. It doesn't signal anything meaningful, except that you're in the opposition, and it potentially riles up his adherents to also use the courts for revenge.

amanaplanacanal 2y ago
Well he is a rapist too. And if the documents charges from mar-a-lago had been allowed to go to trial he would have been fucked.