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I’m not sure what Mozilla has been doing the last ten years but I’m fairly certain it has little to do with what users want. I am thoroughly finished with them

I’m not sure what Mozilla has been doing the last ten years but I’m fairly certain it has little to do with what users want. I am thoroughly finished with them as an organization; hopefully they represent the end of an ugly era, which to my recollection began in about 2013. I will not mourn their inevitable slide into complete irrelevance and financial insolvency.

JoshTriplett 2y ago
I will mourn the lack of a non-Chrome browser engine with enough market share to prevent Chrome from unilaterally changing the web.
- jm4 2y ago
  Someone can fork chromium if need be. There are at least a couple organizations with chromium-based browsers that have maintained their own engines in the past. Chromium is objectively very good so it’s not like it’s the time when we were left with IE5. The biggest problem now is Google trying to protect their ad business and the other Chromium browsers have been working around that. I don’t think we are nearly as bad off as we have at other times in the past.
  - amanaplanacanal 2y ago
    I dunno. Forcing ads on everybody seems bad to me. YMMV.
  - JoshTriplett 2y ago
    A fork of Chromium is still a Chromium-based engine, and does nothing to combat the browser engine monoculture. I'm personally hoping for Servo/Verso, as well as hoping that Firefox turns around.
- nwienert 2y ago
  Safari / WebKit. It's unironically better than Chrome in nearly every way, except dev tools.
  - JoshTriplett 2y ago
    And being proprietary, and only running on one family of operating systems.
    - nwienert 2y ago
      Safari is proprietary and runs on one platform, not WebKit. Orion and a couple other browsers run cross platform.
      - JoshTriplett 2y ago
        I was referring to Safari here. I'm aware that WebKit is cross-platform, but it has vanishingly small market share if you ignore Safari, and it doesn't provide sufficient competition to browsers based on Chromium/Blink to keep the web from being a monoculture.
        nwienert 2y ago
        Safari has 20% of the market in The US?
        JoshTriplett 2y ago
        In the comment you're replying to: > but it has vanishingly small market share if you ignore Safari Safari doesn't help here because it's proprietary and only runs on one family of OSes. WebKit doesn't have any substantive market share without Safari.
        nwienert 2y ago
        The context of the thread is > I will mourn the lack of a non-Chrome browser engine with enough market share to prevent Chrome from unilaterally changing the web. Ignoring Safari makes no sense as they are the ones preventing this.

JoshTriplett 2y ago

I will mourn the lack of a non-Chrome browser engine with enough market share to prevent Chrome from unilaterally changing the web.

jm4 2y ago
Someone can fork chromium if need be. There are at least a couple organizations with chromium-based browsers that have maintained their own engines in the past. Chromium is objectively very good so it’s not like it’s the time when we were left with IE5. The biggest problem now is Google trying to protect their ad business and the other Chromium browsers have been working around that. I don’t think we are nearly as bad off as we have at other times in the past.
- amanaplanacanal 2y ago
  I dunno. Forcing ads on everybody seems bad to me. YMMV.
- JoshTriplett 2y ago
  A fork of Chromium is still a Chromium-based engine, and does nothing to combat the browser engine monoculture. I'm personally hoping for Servo/Verso, as well as hoping that Firefox turns around.
nwienert 2y ago
Safari / WebKit. It's unironically better than Chrome in nearly every way, except dev tools.
- JoshTriplett 2y ago
  And being proprietary, and only running on one family of operating systems.
  - nwienert 2y ago
    Safari is proprietary and runs on one platform, not WebKit. Orion and a couple other browsers run cross platform.
    - JoshTriplett 2y ago
      I was referring to Safari here. I'm aware that WebKit is cross-platform, but it has vanishingly small market share if you ignore Safari, and it doesn't provide sufficient competition to browsers based on Chromium/Blink to keep the web from being a monoculture.
      - nwienert 2y ago
        Safari has 20% of the market in The US?
        JoshTriplett 2y ago
        In the comment you're replying to: > but it has vanishingly small market share if you ignore Safari Safari doesn't help here because it's proprietary and only runs on one family of OSes. WebKit doesn't have any substantive market share without Safari.
        nwienert 2y ago
        The context of the thread is > I will mourn the lack of a non-Chrome browser engine with enough market share to prevent Chrome from unilaterally changing the web. Ignoring Safari makes no sense as they are the ones preventing this.