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Didn't humans first leave Africa 100,000 years ago by high estimates? To Western Europe 40,000 years ago? Doesn't this completely upend early humanity?
by llm_nerd 2y ago
Didn't humans first leave Africa 100,000 years ago by high estimates? To Western Europe 40,000 years ago?
Doesn't this completely upend early humanity?
- eesmith 2y agoHomo but not Homo sapiens. > “The evidence is still insufficient for a definitive classification, which is why it has been assigned to H. aff. erectus. This designation acknowledges Pink’s affinities with Homo erectus while leaving open the possibility that it may belong to another species.” - https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2025/mar/fragment-human-face-aged-over-one-million-years-discovered https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2025/mar/fragment-human-face-aged...
- ceejayoz 2y agoNo. Human here means a species in the Homo genus. That includes a lot more than just modern humans.
- diddlybopshubop 2y agoModern humans did. Other human species left Africa and populated the rest of the old world much, much earlier. I'm not up-to-date on my research these days but it's only within the last 10K years or so (maybe even more recent) where there's been one extant human subspecies.
- kingofthehill98 2y agoThe craziest thing for me is that there's a lot of evidence for claiming that Sapiens interbred with other Homos, such as the Neanderthal.
- danielbln 2y agoWhy is that crazy? Looking at human history, this doesn't come as much of a shock, does it?
- checkyoursudo 2y agoHumans do like to fuck.
- dmd 2y agorishathra
- dyauspitr 2y agoInterbred is putting it mildly. More like killed the men and raped all the women. This was repeated again with the Yamnaya from the Caucasus a few millennia ago where they again killed all the men and raped all the women.
- im3w1l 2y agoHow certainly do we actually know that? If the evidence you claim is that there are no Y-chromosomes from other hominids, an alternative explanation could be that hybrids with Y-chromosomes from other hominids did exist, but disappeared gradually over the centuries/millenia either because they were less fit or through pure chance. Are there any now living people with mt-dna from other hominids? Having a minority non-autosomal genotype could be an issue as there might be recurring "compatibility problems", given that the autosomal dna would mainly evolve to work with the majority mtdna and ydna.
- ginko 2y agoThe genetic evidence points into the other direction: > There is considerably less Neanderthal ancestry on the X-chromosome compared to the autosomal chromosomes, which similarly suggests that admixture with modern humans was primarily the result of mating between modern human females and Neanderthal males. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal_genetics#Parentage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal_genetics#Parentage
- IAmBroom 2y agoChicks dig those big, furry eyebrows.
- gigachad69 2y agoa lot of evidence as in most europeans, eurasians and east asians have some percentage of neanderthal genes in their DNA
- wincy 2y agoIf you’ve seen Star Trek the Original Series it shows you precisely how much humans are into humanoid subspecies. They could be green for all a dude who hasn’t seen a woman in a week could care!
- thaumasiotes 2y ago> They could be green for all a dude who hasn’t seen a woman in a week could care! Not a great example; the green women are specifically shown to exert pheromonal control over alien males.
- IAmBroom 2y agoI can't smell them on TV, and Vina the Orion still had a lot of control over me.
- encipriano 2y agoIsnt neanderthal sapiens. Also, not all modern humans
- IAmBroom 2y ago"sapiens" is our species name. They are Homo neanderthalis, so they are Homo, which is probably what you were intending.
- kbrannigan 2y agoWhat if the literature of God Created men(mankind) in his image came to differentiate Homo sapiens from others. Or the history really began once the other Humans were no more ? Just passing thoughts
- Gerardo1 2y agoThere are at least several thousand years between the last non-modern human hominids dying out and the first writing emerging.
- nkoren 2y agoAbout 20,000 years in fact.
- IAmBroom 2y agoI've been thinking about this a lot, by coincidence, as I read Unsong by Scott Alexander (unsongbook.com). It's a beautifully written somewhat comic and somewhat tragic story about the kabbalic-turned-capitalist search for the powerful Names of God. It occurred to me that, if the Abrahamic God exists, and the origin of Adam is anything more than a mere metaphor, God must have had to make a decision at some point. "There!", He/She/It said as the last vital chromosome fell into place in generation Aleph-1, "All this work is finally done. Whew! I could use some rest." Or something. But maybe it's all metaphor (except for the God existing part). Maybe the Garden of Eden was Us (big-us, all the hominids) co-existing without technology, and the rise of flint-knapping/agriculture/representational art/whatever was the "eating of the fruit and gaining of knowledge". Or any other variation you like, as long as you're not intentionally bound from thinking by a literalist view of the Torah's Book of Genesis. In which case, I have bad news: "Adam" wasn't even named that in the early writings, presumably closer to God's word. So, your translation is a bad start for you. So, maybe the "Twelve Tribes of Israel" are themselves metaphoric for the whole set of hominin branches. Maybe "Ham" was Paranthropus. Accepting that "seven" in the bible sometimes implies "an important big number", maybe "seven" generations later (give or take a few 100) Paranthropus died out completely. Poor Ham. He was just checking to make sure Dad didn't oversleep. Or maybe, there is no God, and it's just fun to play with myths, which are culturally powerful.
- thaumasiotes 2y ago> Other human species left Africa and populated the rest of the old world much, much earlier. Usually those would be called hominids, not humans.
- sightbroke 2y agoArticle says this skull fragment is possibly Homo Erectus. This says they left Africa within in that time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus This has further details on human evolution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#Evolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#Evolution This covers in more detail the time modern humans migrated from Africa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_African_origin_of_modern_humans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_African_origin_of_moder...
- ge96 2y ago> Ah-ha! But no one has found the missing link between ape and this so called Homo habilis
- IAmBroom 2y agoUsing the term "missing link" instantly flags you as not having a serious evolutionary background. We don't find "missing links". Ever, really. They existed, but the fossil record is far too small a sampling to gift us like that.
- nope85857275 2y ago[dead]
- ge96 2y agoIt's a joke/quote from Futurama
- jyounker 2y agoContext: https://comb.io/osyksW https://comb.io/osyksW
- wileydragonfly 2y agoYeah, but I’d sure like to see one of those wolves that became a whale.
- dyauspitr 2y agoNo the homo genus includes everything from something barely distinguishable from an gorilla all the way to modern humans.
- IAmBroom 2y agoOnly if you can't tell a gorilla from a chimpanzee. Neither are first-cousins to Homo, which is descended from genii since the split from the shoot that Bonobos came from.
- dkarl 2y agoAll homo species are or were bipedal tool users and descended from ancestors that had been bipedal tool users for a million years prior. You wouldn't get them confused with a gorilla.
- dyauspitr 2y agohttps://blogs.ucl.ac.uk/museums/files/2016/10/Homo-habilis-reconstruction.jpg https://blogs.ucl.ac.uk/museums/files/2016/10/Homo-habilis-r... Homo habilis looks like a slight shorter haired gorilla.
- IAmBroom 2y agoNo. You're confusing chimps with gorillas.
- dkarl 2y agoHere's video of a gorilla that is famous for its ability and propensity for walking upright. If you want to tell me you would find this "barely distinguishable" from homo habilis, I don't think I'd be doing you a service by believing you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVYzogbTs0w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVYzogbTs0w
- codingwagie 2y agoYou dont still believe that do you?