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On a website with a voting system, nobody is going to share real contrarian views. All you'll get are carefully chosen pseudo-contrarian viewpoints that people

On a website with a voting system, nobody is going to share real contrarian views. All you'll get are carefully chosen pseudo-contrarian viewpoints that people think they'll get some votes for. Here's my carefully chosen pseudo-contrarian viewpoint: voting systems on any forum, including this one, create filter bubbles just as intense as the ones created by social media algorithms. You're in a filter bubble on this site just as much as on reddit, and nearly as much as on Facebook, TikTok, or YouTube. You'll never see any genuine discussion around contrarian viewpoints here. Unfortunately, removing the voting system would massively increase mod workload, to an unworkable degree. This means the concept of a non filter bubble forum or website is an impossibility. We either get a filter bubble, or a spam and scam filled cesspool. There's no other options.

floxy 2y ago
>removing the voting system would massively increase mod workload Is this one legitimate area that LLMs could help out with? Weeding out the most obvious spam and scams?
PaulHoule 2y ago
Personally I am not afraid of losing 10 karma points for a shitpost (or a seriously held opinion) that I’m proud of. I only care if dang tells me to knock it off. There was a discussion on Tildes though which asked “what opinions do you feel can’t be expressed?” and my answer got me kicked out which proved I was right but I got so sick of arguing with people there who explicitly rejected the categorical imperative so I was better off for it.
- esperent 2y ago
  It's not about shit posting. It's about genuinely interesting contrarian viewpoints. Even if someone isn't afraid of posting it, the problem is that it gets censored by the community and no conversation can happen.
solardev 2y ago
I don't agree that a voting system inherently prevents contrarian viewpoints. Discourages them, perhaps, but there's still plenty of disagreements that happen here. It helps that the points are hidden to other viewers, so they serve more as vague feedback to the commenter instead of causing voting wars and blocs like they do on reddit. Speaking for myself, I generally post whatever I feel like as long as it's not overtly hostile, like when I'm in a bad mood. Through the course of a day I'll often see a comment upvoted a few times and then downvoted into the negative and then come back up, usually ending up at 1 or 2 points after a couple days. When someone strongly disagrees though, I do wish they'd just comment and discuss it instead of leaving a drive-by vote with no comment. I very rarely downvote (usually it's just by accident because the mobile UX sucks), but frequently share dissenting opinions here. I don't know or care what my karma is (I didn't realize the downvotes even count toward it). I also keep showdead on and frequently vouch for things.

floxy 2y ago

>removing the voting system would massively increase mod workload Is this one legitimate area that LLMs could help out with? Weeding out the most obvious spam and scams?

PaulHoule 2y ago

Personally I am not afraid of losing 10 karma points for a shitpost (or a seriously held opinion) that I’m proud of. I only care if dang tells me to knock it off. There was a discussion on Tildes though which asked “what opinions do you feel can’t be expressed?” and my answer got me kicked out which proved I was right but I got so sick of arguing with people there who explicitly rejected the categorical imperative so I was better off for it.

esperent 2y ago
It's not about shit posting. It's about genuinely interesting contrarian viewpoints. Even if someone isn't afraid of posting it, the problem is that it gets censored by the community and no conversation can happen.

solardev 2y ago

I don't agree that a voting system inherently prevents contrarian viewpoints. Discourages them, perhaps, but there's still plenty of disagreements that happen here. It helps that the points are hidden to other viewers, so they serve more as vague feedback to the commenter instead of causing voting wars and blocs like they do on reddit. Speaking for myself, I generally post whatever I feel like as long as it's not overtly hostile, like when I'm in a bad mood. Through the course of a day I'll often see a comment upvoted a few times and then downvoted into the negative and then come back up, usually ending up at 1 or 2 points after a couple days. When someone strongly disagrees though, I do wish they'd just comment and discuss it instead of leaving a drive-by vote with no comment. I very rarely downvote (usually it's just by accident because the mobile UX sucks), but frequently share dissenting opinions here. I don't know or care what my karma is (I didn't realize the downvotes even count toward it). I also keep showdead on and frequently vouch for things.