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Honestly, not much of this is typically a problem for "new" tech transplants. Their income still allows them to pick from what's on the market. Sure, if you b

Honestly, not much of this is typically a problem for "new" tech transplants. Their income still allows them to pick from what's on the market. Sure, if you become picky with regards to area, extras (balcony etc.) the supply is just so low it will take some time, but the reality is far from being unable to house yourself.

klausa 2y ago
And if you move _after_ getting a job, you also instantly get an access to a whisper network about people that want Nachmieters too; which is also immensely helpful.
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago
  What does that mean exactly?
  - klausa 2y ago
    With all due respect, if you do not understand what that sentence meant; I do not think discussion about rental market situation in Berlin with you will be productive. Anyone who actually ever lived in Berlin would have no trouble parsing that sentence; and I do not think having this conversation with someone who does not have that experience is really useful.
    - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
      Where did I claim I lived in Berlin? I was asking because I'm looking to move there, but in your opinion that doesn't make me eligible for the conversation? Wow.
      - klausa 2y ago
        Yes, I think not having personally experienced looking for apartment in Berlin makes you ineligible to comment on that, and I don’t think that’s a particularly radical stance. I wish you luck in finding a lovely place if you do decide to move, and hope you’ll have a great time!
        FirmwareBurner 2y ago
        So I'm not allowed to comment on this topic because I havent lived there, but you're an expert because of your pre pandemic experience that isn't valid in the current real estate market? Bruh....
        klausa 2y ago
        Yes, I think “relevant but potentially outdated experience” is better than “literally no experience whatsoever”; but I suppose reasonable people can disagree. The arguments about Berlin being “over” and it being impossible to find a place nowadays are constant since ~2012? I’ve definitely heard that I missed “the good times” when I got there in 2015. Did it get worse since? Sure, in some ways. Is it as hard as people make it out to be, if you’re not rejecting 90% of available supply outright? Not really. Again, I’m not trying to say that the situation is great, and it should be a model for other cities. But it genuinely does not take half a year to find a place, unless you’re trying to find a unicorn or have very specific needs/limits. (I, of course, also have friends who still live in the city and have moved since, so I do feel like I know what I’m talking about; but that is somewhat besides the point being argued here.)
  - ivan_gammel 2y ago
    I have no problem answering that :) When people move out they often want to do it faster than their contract allows, so they are looking for someone to take over the contract (a "Nachmieter"). If you have any connections e.g. people at work, you may hear about those offers time to time and there really good apartments can be found.
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    - klausa 2y ago
      IME it’s not just about people wanting to move out faster; but in general it seems that most places get offered to friends/coworkers first, just as a gesture. Often having a Nachmieter is handy because you can sell them any of the furniture (or appliances) (…or entire kitchens) you no longer want, and they can also take over responsibility for any modifications to the place you’ve made. I once lived in an Altbau that had very high (~5.5m?) ceilings, and the previous tenants added a lofted bed to the space. By finding someone (me) to take over the contract, they didn’t have to remove it and fix the holes in the wall etc, and the next tenant after me also got to keep the bed setup.

klausa 2y ago

And if you move _after_ getting a job, you also instantly get an access to a whisper network about people that want Nachmieters too; which is also immensely helpful.

FirmwareBurner 2y ago
What does that mean exactly?
- klausa 2y ago
  With all due respect, if you do not understand what that sentence meant; I do not think discussion about rental market situation in Berlin with you will be productive. Anyone who actually ever lived in Berlin would have no trouble parsing that sentence; and I do not think having this conversation with someone who does not have that experience is really useful.
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    Where did I claim I lived in Berlin? I was asking because I'm looking to move there, but in your opinion that doesn't make me eligible for the conversation? Wow.
    - klausa 2y ago
      Yes, I think not having personally experienced looking for apartment in Berlin makes you ineligible to comment on that, and I don’t think that’s a particularly radical stance. I wish you luck in finding a lovely place if you do decide to move, and hope you’ll have a great time!
      - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
        So I'm not allowed to comment on this topic because I havent lived there, but you're an expert because of your pre pandemic experience that isn't valid in the current real estate market? Bruh....
        klausa 2y ago
        Yes, I think “relevant but potentially outdated experience” is better than “literally no experience whatsoever”; but I suppose reasonable people can disagree. The arguments about Berlin being “over” and it being impossible to find a place nowadays are constant since ~2012? I’ve definitely heard that I missed “the good times” when I got there in 2015. Did it get worse since? Sure, in some ways. Is it as hard as people make it out to be, if you’re not rejecting 90% of available supply outright? Not really. Again, I’m not trying to say that the situation is great, and it should be a model for other cities. But it genuinely does not take half a year to find a place, unless you’re trying to find a unicorn or have very specific needs/limits. (I, of course, also have friends who still live in the city and have moved since, so I do feel like I know what I’m talking about; but that is somewhat besides the point being argued here.)
- ivan_gammel 2y ago
  I have no problem answering that :) When people move out they often want to do it faster than their contract allows, so they are looking for someone to take over the contract (a "Nachmieter"). If you have any connections e.g. people at work, you may hear about those offers time to time and there really good apartments can be found.
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  - klausa 2y ago
    IME it’s not just about people wanting to move out faster; but in general it seems that most places get offered to friends/coworkers first, just as a gesture. Often having a Nachmieter is handy because you can sell them any of the furniture (or appliances) (…or entire kitchens) you no longer want, and they can also take over responsibility for any modifications to the place you’ve made. I once lived in an Altbau that had very high (~5.5m?) ceilings, and the previous tenants added a lofted bed to the space. By finding someone (me) to take over the contract, they didn’t have to remove it and fix the holes in the wall etc, and the next tenant after me also got to keep the bed setup.