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It was a slim majority of those who actually voted, so less than half of eligible voters. There are many, many people who are not happy with how things are goi

by DougN7 2y ago

It was a slim majority of those who actually voted, so less than half of eligible voters. There are many, many people who are not happy with how things are going.

mosburger 2y ago
It doesn't matter. If it's not our (I'm from the U.S.) fault, then whose fault is it? We all, collectively, are ultimately responsible for the outcome of the election. It was our job to convince everyone, including those who didn't vote, to vote for the opposition instead. We failed. People who are hurt by the policies of this administration aren't going to say "gee, one third of the United States really sucks." Nor should they. Right now, the United States sucks. The onus is on us, all of us, to fix it.
- Trasmatta 2y ago
  I voted, donated a ton of money, and canvassed in swing states. I'm not taking any of the blame for what happened.
  - exe34 2y ago
    Every time there's a school shooting, somebody defends gun rights "because muh well-armed militias" - I'm yet to see that put into action. Or maybe the well-armed militias are happy with the "progress".
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> slim majority of those who actually voted, so less than half of eligible voters Non voters implicitly endorse the status quo, even if they don’t understand the consequences of their choices.
- beardyw 2y ago
  No, surely non voters endorse the opinions of those who effectively vote on their behalf. To endorse the status quo you must vote for it.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    Sure, we’re quibbling over when we measure the status quo. I’m measuring it across the election, pre and post. If you don’t vote you effectively endorsed the outcome even if you came up with some bizarre logic around why that isn’t the case. (Similarly, a vote for a third party in a swing state is de facto a vote for the major candidate you wouldn’t have voted for.) To the point here, Americans who didn’t vote bear responsibility for our current political situation.
    - beardyw 2y ago
      OK, good point.
exe34 2y ago
> of those who actually voted Sounds like they were happy to roll the dice. Play stupid games.
latexr 2y ago
In this particular election, it doesn’t feel like non-voters get a pass. Even people outside the US were constantly inundated by what was at stake. In 2016, sure, everyone was caught by surprise. In 2024, non-voters don’t get to complain about the result, they have themselves to blame.
- ryandrake 2y ago
  This is true for all elections where majority rules and voting is optional. Not voting effectively is an endorsement of whoever ends up winning. By not voting you are saying "I am OK with whoever wins."

by DougN7 2y ago

It was a slim majority of those who actually voted, so less than half of eligible voters. There are many, many people who are not happy with how things are going.

mosburger 2y ago

It doesn't matter. If it's not our (I'm from the U.S.) fault, then whose fault is it? We all, collectively, are ultimately responsible for the outcome of the election. It was our job to convince everyone, including those who didn't vote, to vote for the opposition instead. We failed. People who are hurt by the policies of this administration aren't going to say "gee, one third of the United States really sucks." Nor should they. Right now, the United States sucks. The onus is on us, all of us, to fix it.

Trasmatta 2y ago
I voted, donated a ton of money, and canvassed in swing states. I'm not taking any of the blame for what happened.
- exe34 2y ago
  Every time there's a school shooting, somebody defends gun rights "because muh well-armed militias" - I'm yet to see that put into action. Or maybe the well-armed militias are happy with the "progress".

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> slim majority of those who actually voted, so less than half of eligible voters Non voters implicitly endorse the status quo, even if they don’t understand the consequences of their choices.

beardyw 2y ago
No, surely non voters endorse the opinions of those who effectively vote on their behalf. To endorse the status quo you must vote for it.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  Sure, we’re quibbling over when we measure the status quo. I’m measuring it across the election, pre and post. If you don’t vote you effectively endorsed the outcome even if you came up with some bizarre logic around why that isn’t the case. (Similarly, a vote for a third party in a swing state is de facto a vote for the major candidate you wouldn’t have voted for.) To the point here, Americans who didn’t vote bear responsibility for our current political situation.
  - beardyw 2y ago
    OK, good point.

exe34 2y ago

> of those who actually voted Sounds like they were happy to roll the dice. Play stupid games.

latexr 2y ago

In this particular election, it doesn’t feel like non-voters get a pass. Even people outside the US were constantly inundated by what was at stake. In 2016, sure, everyone was caught by surprise. In 2024, non-voters don’t get to complain about the result, they have themselves to blame.

ryandrake 2y ago
This is true for all elections where majority rules and voting is optional. Not voting effectively is an endorsement of whoever ends up winning. By not voting you are saying "I am OK with whoever wins."