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You're getting dangerously close to describing labor aristocracy when you use established working class communities to suggest that affluent people don't have a

by dqv 2y ago

You're getting dangerously close to describing labor aristocracy when you use established working class communities to suggest that affluent people don't have an easier time starting and maintaining communities. What the original commenter is saying - and they are correct - is that, when you can afford to live in a place, you have way fewer obstacles to starting/maintaining community. If you have to move every 6 months, work second and third shift, and are constantly having vehicle problems and other emergencies, you are going to have a way harder time. Obviously. Let's not create a mythos of the working class that obfuscates reality.

skyyler 2y ago
I am describing my experience living in working class conditions in the rust belt, before moving to the coast. Describing that as a "mythos of the working class that obfuscates reality" sounds detached from reality, honestly. >What the original commenter is saying - and they are correct - is that, when you can afford to live in a place, you have way fewer obstacles to starting/maintaining community. I really don't think that's as big of an issue as you - or the original commenter - are making them out to be.
- dqv 2y ago
  > I am describing my experience living in working class conditions in the rust belt, before moving to the coast. > Describing that as a "mythos of the working class that obfuscates reality" sounds detached from reality, honestly. No, what is detached from reality is asserting lived experience as universal experience. In response to someone benignly acknowledging that their material conditions ease satisfying their social needs, you made an assumption, rather abrasively, that they don't wish to associate with poor people and that they think poor people are incapable of creating/maintaining community. > I really don't think that's as big of an issue as you - or the original commenter - are making them out to be. Of course not, your lived experience doesn't allow you to see it that way. But there are experiences other than yours, such as the person in the part of my comment which you didn't quote: they are often stuck building their safety and security in the hierarchy of needs. If your mythos of the working class only includes your experiences rather than a culmination of varying experiences, it obfuscates reality.
  - skyyler 2y ago
    >But there are experiences other than yours, such as the person in the part of my comment which you didn't quote: they are often stuck building their safety and security in the hierarchy of needs. How do you think they do that? It isn't through rugged individualism, lol

by dqv 2y ago

skyyler 2y ago

I am describing my experience living in working class conditions in the rust belt, before moving to the coast. Describing that as a "mythos of the working class that obfuscates reality" sounds detached from reality, honestly. >What the original commenter is saying - and they are correct - is that, when you can afford to live in a place, you have way fewer obstacles to starting/maintaining community. I really don't think that's as big of an issue as you - or the original commenter - are making them out to be.

dqv 2y ago
> I am describing my experience living in working class conditions in the rust belt, before moving to the coast. > Describing that as a "mythos of the working class that obfuscates reality" sounds detached from reality, honestly. No, what is detached from reality is asserting lived experience as universal experience. In response to someone benignly acknowledging that their material conditions ease satisfying their social needs, you made an assumption, rather abrasively, that they don't wish to associate with poor people and that they think poor people are incapable of creating/maintaining community. > I really don't think that's as big of an issue as you - or the original commenter - are making them out to be. Of course not, your lived experience doesn't allow you to see it that way. But there are experiences other than yours, such as the person in the part of my comment which you didn't quote: they are often stuck building their safety and security in the hierarchy of needs. If your mythos of the working class only includes your experiences rather than a culmination of varying experiences, it obfuscates reality.
- skyyler 2y ago
  >But there are experiences other than yours, such as the person in the part of my comment which you didn't quote: they are often stuck building their safety and security in the hierarchy of needs. How do you think they do that? It isn't through rugged individualism, lol