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> The group is at a critical point now, having ~100 Whatsapp members. From what I've seen this creates a chilling effect where you inevitably end up with clique

> The group is at a critical point now, having ~100 Whatsapp members. From what I've seen this creates a chilling effect where you inevitably end up with cliques and social cooling. The way to minimize this fear is by encouraging members to send welcoming messages to those new to the community. Celebrate the growth instead of fearing the unknown. > No new members will feel like they can actually send a message into a 100+ person group, while the old guard starts to use it as a notification board, rather than a real chat. If new members are made aware that sending a message to the group is perfectly acceptable, then there will be trepidation. Much like what I am doing here to what I assume is a group exceeding 100+ members.

kortilla 2y ago
> Much like what I am doing here to what I assume is a group exceeding 100+ members. Under an anonymous account to people you don’t have to see in person.
- AdieuToLogic 2y ago
  >> Much like what I am doing here to what I assume is a group exceeding 100+ members. > Under an anonymous account to people you don’t have to see in person. Does this lessen the fear of being rebuked when sharing thoughts in a public forum one values? Perhaps it would for people whom enjoy trolling. I do not and have no reason to think you do either. So we are left to stand on what we post here, with no other connection, no other commonality, only to accept each other for the thoughts we exchange.
  - kortilla 2y ago
    > Does this lessen the fear of being rebuked when sharing thoughts in a public forum one values? Absolutely. There is no threat of permanent harm. You just lose your karma count and make a new account > Perhaps it would for people whom enjoy trolling. I do not and have no reason to think you do either. Not related to trolling at all. It’s about being able to express opinions you genuinely believe without fear of effectively permanent retribution. The protection that offers this is abused by trolls, but it doesn’t mean you don’t benefit from it when you are not a troll. Think about something as basic as a gay man publishing about being gay while living in a country where that is illegal. > So we are left to stand on what we post here, with no other connection, no other commonality, only to accept each other for the thoughts we exchange We’re comparing to WhatsApp with your neighbors where everything you have said can be used against you in real life, reported to your employer, church, etc. It’s nothing like posting on an anonymous forum only attached to real life voluntarily and without verification
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    - AdieuToLogic 2y ago
      >> Does this lessen the fear of being rebuked when sharing thoughts in a public forum one values? > Absolutely. There is no threat of permanent harm. You just lose your karma count and make a new account This is a myopic definition of harm and one whose identified remedy is trivialization. >> So we are left to stand on what we post here, with no other connection, no other commonality, only to accept each other for the thoughts we exchange I was referring to interaction in this forum. > We’re comparing to WhatsApp with your neighbors where everything you have said can be used against you in real life, reported to your employer, church, etc. It’s nothing like posting on an anonymous forum only attached to real life voluntarily and without verification Everything a person SMS's, email, and/or speaks with neighbors "can be used against you in real life, reported to your employer, church, etc." The medium used does not negate the possibility of treachery. Finally: Think about something as basic as a gay man publishing about being gay while living in a country where that is illegal. To which I retort; think about something as basic as an introvert making public their thoughts for unknown people to analyze, dissect, and formulate whatever response they like. Maybe the severity of risks are specific to those who undertake them?
      - kortilla 2y ago
        An introvert engaging in a conversation is not the same level of harm as someone’s life being destroyed because they are outed to a government. > Maybe the severity of risks are specific to those who undertake them? No. Your feelings getting hurt because someone said something mean about something you said that isn’t even attributable to your real identity is extremely low risk.
hk__2 2y ago
> Much like what I am doing here to what I assume is a group exceeding 100+ members. This is not a group, we’re not all receiving a notification because of your message.
- AdieuToLogic 2y ago
  The context of what I said is important, even though I now realize I did not include the important determiner "less" (which I will add below). >> If new members are made aware that sending a message to the group is perfectly acceptable, then there will be [less] trepidation. >> Much like what I am doing here to what I assume is a group exceeding 100+ members. > This is not a group, we’re not all receiving a notification because of your message. My point was taking the risk of putting oneself "out there" for a group to see, not notification policies.

kortilla 2y ago

> Much like what I am doing here to what I assume is a group exceeding 100+ members. Under an anonymous account to people you don’t have to see in person.

AdieuToLogic 2y ago
>> Much like what I am doing here to what I assume is a group exceeding 100+ members. > Under an anonymous account to people you don’t have to see in person. Does this lessen the fear of being rebuked when sharing thoughts in a public forum one values? Perhaps it would for people whom enjoy trolling. I do not and have no reason to think you do either. So we are left to stand on what we post here, with no other connection, no other commonality, only to accept each other for the thoughts we exchange.
- kortilla 2y ago
  > Does this lessen the fear of being rebuked when sharing thoughts in a public forum one values? Absolutely. There is no threat of permanent harm. You just lose your karma count and make a new account > Perhaps it would for people whom enjoy trolling. I do not and have no reason to think you do either. Not related to trolling at all. It’s about being able to express opinions you genuinely believe without fear of effectively permanent retribution. The protection that offers this is abused by trolls, but it doesn’t mean you don’t benefit from it when you are not a troll. Think about something as basic as a gay man publishing about being gay while living in a country where that is illegal. > So we are left to stand on what we post here, with no other connection, no other commonality, only to accept each other for the thoughts we exchange We’re comparing to WhatsApp with your neighbors where everything you have said can be used against you in real life, reported to your employer, church, etc. It’s nothing like posting on an anonymous forum only attached to real life voluntarily and without verification
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  - AdieuToLogic 2y ago
    >> Does this lessen the fear of being rebuked when sharing thoughts in a public forum one values? > Absolutely. There is no threat of permanent harm. You just lose your karma count and make a new account This is a myopic definition of harm and one whose identified remedy is trivialization. >> So we are left to stand on what we post here, with no other connection, no other commonality, only to accept each other for the thoughts we exchange I was referring to interaction in this forum. > We’re comparing to WhatsApp with your neighbors where everything you have said can be used against you in real life, reported to your employer, church, etc. It’s nothing like posting on an anonymous forum only attached to real life voluntarily and without verification Everything a person SMS's, email, and/or speaks with neighbors "can be used against you in real life, reported to your employer, church, etc." The medium used does not negate the possibility of treachery. Finally: Think about something as basic as a gay man publishing about being gay while living in a country where that is illegal. To which I retort; think about something as basic as an introvert making public their thoughts for unknown people to analyze, dissect, and formulate whatever response they like. Maybe the severity of risks are specific to those who undertake them?
    - kortilla 2y ago
      An introvert engaging in a conversation is not the same level of harm as someone’s life being destroyed because they are outed to a government. > Maybe the severity of risks are specific to those who undertake them? No. Your feelings getting hurt because someone said something mean about something you said that isn’t even attributable to your real identity is extremely low risk.

hk__2 2y ago

> Much like what I am doing here to what I assume is a group exceeding 100+ members. This is not a group, we’re not all receiving a notification because of your message.

AdieuToLogic 2y ago
The context of what I said is important, even though I now realize I did not include the important determiner "less" (which I will add below). >> If new members are made aware that sending a message to the group is perfectly acceptable, then there will be [less] trepidation. >> Much like what I am doing here to what I assume is a group exceeding 100+ members. > This is not a group, we’re not all receiving a notification because of your message. My point was taking the risk of putting oneself "out there" for a group to see, not notification policies.