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Or require every fresh "unique" visitor to run some JS that takes X seconds to compute. It's not nice for visitors using a very old smartphone, but it's arguab

by Terr_ 2y ago

Or require every fresh "unique" visitor to run some JS that takes X seconds to compute. It's not nice for visitors using a very old smartphone, but it's arguably less-exclusionary than some of the tests and third-party gatekeepers that exist now. In many cases we don't actually care about telling if someone is truly a human alone, as much as ensuring that they aren't a throwaway sockpuppet of a larger automated system that doesn't care about good behavior because a replacement is so easy to make.

userbinator 2y ago
that takes X seconds to compute. Those who have the computing resources to do commercial scraping will easily get past that. In contrast, there are still many questions which a human can easily answer, but even the best LLMs currently can't.
- kristiandupont 2y ago
  >there are still many questions which a human can easily answer, but even the best LLMs currently can't. I am genuinely curious: what is an example of such a question, if it's for a person you don't know (i.e. where you cannot rely on inside knowledge)?
  - userbinator 2y ago
    This was a notable example in that category: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41058318 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41058318 Also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38766512 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38766512
    - kristiandupont 2y ago
      I just tried these with ChatGPT (4o) and it got both of them right. That's not to say that you won't be able to find something that still works but I think that particular hole is closing fast.
      - spartanatreyu 2y ago
        Yeah, any text based question with a text based answer eventually ends up getting posted on a forum for an AI model to scrape.
- Terr_ 2y ago
  It doesn't have to be bulletproof, it just has to create a cost that doesn't scale economically for them.
  - userbinator 2y ago
    Computing power is cheap, and getting cheaper for the big guys. Real humans are not.
a2128 2y ago
IIRC that's basically already part of what Cloudflare Turnstile does

by Terr_ 2y ago

userbinator 2y ago

that takes X seconds to compute. Those who have the computing resources to do commercial scraping will easily get past that. In contrast, there are still many questions which a human can easily answer, but even the best LLMs currently can't.

kristiandupont 2y ago
>there are still many questions which a human can easily answer, but even the best LLMs currently can't. I am genuinely curious: what is an example of such a question, if it's for a person you don't know (i.e. where you cannot rely on inside knowledge)?
- userbinator 2y ago
  This was a notable example in that category: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41058318 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41058318 Also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38766512 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38766512
  - kristiandupont 2y ago
    I just tried these with ChatGPT (4o) and it got both of them right. That's not to say that you won't be able to find something that still works but I think that particular hole is closing fast.
    - spartanatreyu 2y ago
      Yeah, any text based question with a text based answer eventually ends up getting posted on a forum for an AI model to scrape.
Terr_ 2y ago
It doesn't have to be bulletproof, it just has to create a cost that doesn't scale economically for them.
- userbinator 2y ago
  Computing power is cheap, and getting cheaper for the big guys. Real humans are not.

a2128 2y ago

IIRC that's basically already part of what Cloudflare Turnstile does