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Is atop included in any distributions? Is there even a tool to search what is pre-installed in each major distribution(s)?

by keyle 2y ago

LinuxBender 2y ago
"Ubuntu, Debian, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Fedora, Linux Mint, SUSE Linux Enterprise, CentOS, Manjaro, elementary OS, Gentoo, Oracle Linux, and Pop!_OS" ~--Google's AI. I am not aware of any that install it by default.
- Macha 2y ago
  Google's AI has just given you a plausible sounding but mostly wrong list of distros - it's not in the enterprise distros, elementary or pop os
  - LinuxBender 2y ago
    Missing from their output is an upvote and downvote button. Or a debug function that forces it to divulge where it obtained the data. Wait, now that I think about it why are there Fact Checkers for humans and not for AI?
    - ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
      That sounds like a lot of work, can't we get AI to do it for us?
      - LinuxBender 2y ago
        You jest but I think it can happen. Grok could be responsible for tagging the output of all the other AI's as "Potential Misinformation, Disinformation per the Ministry of Truth".
    - Macha 2y ago
      The data source seems pretty obvious here. It doesn't know much about atop, but your question has led it to believe that it's something available on Linux distros, so it spat out a likely list of Linux distros based on the weighted average of linux distros listed by other projects in its training set.
      - LinuxBender 2y ago
        That's called guessing. It should start the output with "Just guessing, but maybe ..."
- ASalazarMX 2y ago
  Ubuntu 24.04 doesn't come with atop, but it's in the repos. The only package that depends on it is hollywood[0], which would be a damn shame to lose. 0. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVMn3xk5mcY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVMn3xk5mcY Yes, it comes with that music.
arp242 2y ago
Doesn't say what's installed by default, but Repology gives an overview of packages: https://repology.org/project/atop/versions https://repology.org/project/atop/versions
vanc_cefepime 2y ago
I typed 'atop' in my Linux Mint 22.1 laptop/desktop, says it's not found but can be installed. So I think Linux Mint is in the clear, I tried my Ubuntu 24.04 server and same thing there as well as my proxmox home lab instance. I checked that Repology link and I did see Ubuntu, but I guess that is for Ubuntu desktop but not sever edition? ps. If I said anything wrong, please correct me. I'm a linux newb who jumped from Microsoft's world after getting fed up with their Win11 BS. I'm still learning quite a bit about linux daily.
- keyle 2y ago
  No, that sounds about right.
- __MatrixMan__ 2y ago
  > I'm a linux newb who jumped from Microsoft's world after getting fed up Welcome to the dark side my friend, it's better here. > If I said anything wrong, please correct me Nothing wrong, but if you ever want to see if something is present without actually running it, consider these commands: ps aux | grep atop # is there a running process named atop? which atop # is there a runnable command named atop on the PATH? And since you've referenced some Debian-derived distros, maybe also apt list --installed | grep atop # has apt installed a package named atop? If it does contain something troubling, running the command to see if it was present might expose you to whatever the trouble is.
JamesLeonis 2y ago
I can confirm my FreeBSD, Debian, and NixOS boxes don't have it installed by default. It's also not installed on my TrueNAS box.
senectus1 2y ago
not a default on my Debian bookwork, Ubuntu 24.04.2 LTS, Fedora 41, Proxmox 8.3.4 or OPNsense 25.1.3
Intralexical 2y ago
Check in your available container images: docker images -q | xargs -I{} -t docker run --rm {} sh -c 'type atop && echo "DANGER!!!"' May produce false negatives, because container images tend to be stripped down compared to desktop and server releases. Probably won't produce false positives, so use as a minimum. I'd be surprised if any large distros shipped it in a stock configuration.

Is atop included in any distributions? Is there even a tool to search what is pre-installed in each major distribution(s)?

by keyle 2y ago

Is atop included in any distributions? Is there even a tool to search what is pre-installed in each major distribution(s)?

LinuxBender 2y ago

"Ubuntu, Debian, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Fedora, Linux Mint, SUSE Linux Enterprise, CentOS, Manjaro, elementary OS, Gentoo, Oracle Linux, and Pop!_OS" ~--Google's AI. I am not aware of any that install it by default.

Macha 2y ago
Google's AI has just given you a plausible sounding but mostly wrong list of distros - it's not in the enterprise distros, elementary or pop os
- LinuxBender 2y ago
  Missing from their output is an upvote and downvote button. Or a debug function that forces it to divulge where it obtained the data. Wait, now that I think about it why are there Fact Checkers for humans and not for AI?
  - ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
    That sounds like a lot of work, can't we get AI to do it for us?
    - LinuxBender 2y ago
      You jest but I think it can happen. Grok could be responsible for tagging the output of all the other AI's as "Potential Misinformation, Disinformation per the Ministry of Truth".
  - Macha 2y ago
    The data source seems pretty obvious here. It doesn't know much about atop, but your question has led it to believe that it's something available on Linux distros, so it spat out a likely list of Linux distros based on the weighted average of linux distros listed by other projects in its training set.
    - LinuxBender 2y ago
      That's called guessing. It should start the output with "Just guessing, but maybe ..."
ASalazarMX 2y ago
Ubuntu 24.04 doesn't come with atop, but it's in the repos. The only package that depends on it is hollywood[0], which would be a damn shame to lose. 0. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVMn3xk5mcY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVMn3xk5mcY Yes, it comes with that music.

arp242 2y ago

Doesn't say what's installed by default, but Repology gives an overview of packages: https://repology.org/project/atop/versions https://repology.org/project/atop/versions

vanc_cefepime 2y ago

I typed 'atop' in my Linux Mint 22.1 laptop/desktop, says it's not found but can be installed. So I think Linux Mint is in the clear, I tried my Ubuntu 24.04 server and same thing there as well as my proxmox home lab instance. I checked that Repology link and I did see Ubuntu, but I guess that is for Ubuntu desktop but not sever edition? ps. If I said anything wrong, please correct me. I'm a linux newb who jumped from Microsoft's world after getting fed up with their Win11 BS. I'm still learning quite a bit about linux daily.

keyle 2y ago
No, that sounds about right.
__MatrixMan__ 2y ago
> I'm a linux newb who jumped from Microsoft's world after getting fed up Welcome to the dark side my friend, it's better here. > If I said anything wrong, please correct me Nothing wrong, but if you ever want to see if something is present without actually running it, consider these commands: ps aux | grep atop # is there a running process named atop? which atop # is there a runnable command named atop on the PATH? And since you've referenced some Debian-derived distros, maybe also apt list --installed | grep atop # has apt installed a package named atop? If it does contain something troubling, running the command to see if it was present might expose you to whatever the trouble is.

JamesLeonis 2y ago

I can confirm my FreeBSD, Debian, and NixOS boxes don't have it installed by default. It's also not installed on my TrueNAS box.

senectus1 2y ago

not a default on my Debian bookwork, Ubuntu 24.04.2 LTS, Fedora 41, Proxmox 8.3.4 or OPNsense 25.1.3

Intralexical 2y ago

Check in your available container images: docker images -q | xargs -I{} -t docker run --rm {} sh -c 'type atop && echo "DANGER!!!"' May produce false negatives, because container images tend to be stripped down compared to desktop and server releases. Probably won't produce false positives, so use as a minimum. I'd be surprised if any large distros shipped it in a stock configuration.