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Even if this is true, the condition can go as far back as your childhood as well. When it is clear that the organism should be doing something, it does it. If i

Even if this is true, the condition can go as far back as your childhood as well. When it is clear that the organism should be doing something, it does it. If it is somehow not clear, it is likely just not necessary. A significant confounding factor is the lack of awareness of the productive forces. The average suburban school kid has relatively little idea of how the world works and what workers actually do, and why, in part due to a culture of corporate secrecy. "No phones in school" can be a stopgap but really produces a dead end arms-race situation, even if it worked for a time. The only solution is to make school genuinely interesting and relevant. Until institutionalized education is no longer interesting and relevant on the face of it.

ty6853 2y ago
Yep, one of my favorite tradesmen is Larry Haun. He started carrying tools for carpenters for pay as a young kid -- which today would be illegal. Imagine being in school and learning math and science in the context of how it tied into building a house . Suddenly the majority of it is useful. Perhaps the problem is in part kids aren't economically 'exploited' enough so they have basically nill solidifying the utility of their schooling.
- aeblyve 2y ago
  Spot on.
  - mixmastamyk 2y ago
    I’d like to see more of this as well, but it’s not practical/economical for most subjects. Construction + arithmetic is straightforward, but imagine kids huddled over a word processor while a writer hammers out a manuscript, or even corporate memo.
    - ty6853 2y ago
      Arithmetic is sufficient math for at least half of workers for the foreseeable future. Realistically if you can read/write, do arithmetic, show up on time, follow orders, and put in effort you can succeed in most trades.
aleph_minus_one 2y ago
> The average suburban school kid has relatively little idea of how the world works and what workers actually do, and why, in part due to a culture of corporate secrecy. What workers actually do is easy to find out. The problem is rather: for quite a lot of jobs, as a school kid, you'd rather come to the conclusion that if this is what life is about, you should rather commit suicide as soon as possible. Similarly, understanding how the world works, gives you an insane hate for a lot of people (i.e. makes you a misanthropist). Beginning from politicians, ending with basically everybody (you get to understand that the (irrational and clearly not in their long-term self-interest) behaviour of many people around you causes perverse incentives for the markets). Are these really the lessons that children should get? Yes, I am very black-pilld.

ty6853 2y ago

Yep, one of my favorite tradesmen is Larry Haun. He started carrying tools for carpenters for pay as a young kid -- which today would be illegal. Imagine being in school and learning math and science in the context of how it tied into building a house . Suddenly the majority of it is useful. Perhaps the problem is in part kids aren't economically 'exploited' enough so they have basically nill solidifying the utility of their schooling.

aeblyve 2y ago
Spot on.
- mixmastamyk 2y ago
  I’d like to see more of this as well, but it’s not practical/economical for most subjects. Construction + arithmetic is straightforward, but imagine kids huddled over a word processor while a writer hammers out a manuscript, or even corporate memo.
  - ty6853 2y ago
    Arithmetic is sufficient math for at least half of workers for the foreseeable future. Realistically if you can read/write, do arithmetic, show up on time, follow orders, and put in effort you can succeed in most trades.

aleph_minus_one 2y ago

> The average suburban school kid has relatively little idea of how the world works and what workers actually do, and why, in part due to a culture of corporate secrecy. What workers actually do is easy to find out. The problem is rather: for quite a lot of jobs, as a school kid, you'd rather come to the conclusion that if this is what life is about, you should rather commit suicide as soon as possible. Similarly, understanding how the world works, gives you an insane hate for a lot of people (i.e. makes you a misanthropist). Beginning from politicians, ending with basically everybody (you get to understand that the (irrational and clearly not in their long-term self-interest) behaviour of many people around you causes perverse incentives for the markets). Are these really the lessons that children should get? Yes, I am very black-pilld.