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It would be interesting if the moral teachings started with Christianity, but they did not. There are plenty of other philosophical teachings from that time tha

It would be interesting if the moral teachings started with Christianity, but they did not. There are plenty of other philosophical teachings from that time that had great impact on morality without feeling the need to subjugate others. For example, Greek philosophers like Socrates and Aristotle taught about virtue and justice centuries before Christianity. Confucius in China emphasized benevolence and duty long before Christian doctrine existed, and Buddha’s teachings focused on compassion and nonviolence without forcing conversion. These traditions show that moral ideas thrived in many places independently.

kyleee 2y ago
You’ve left out Islam which has arguably brought the most significant levels of peace and morality, without relying on subjugation and force
- Affric 2y ago
  > Islam not relying on subjugation and force Ah yeah, so long as we disregard a lot of history both within and outside of Islamic societies this is true. Huge waves of conquests, the jizya. These are all coercive as any Christian state act.
- spiderfarmer 2y ago
  Have you ever read a history book?
Affric 2y ago
Yeah but none of the thinkers you listed came close to saying something as radical "the first shall be last and the last shall be first". Like any moral philosophy professed Christianity has it's flaws, is professed by many a hypocrite, and worn as a cover for many a wicked person but its message on equality goes further than pretty much all moral philosophy I know from any earlier time.
- rbetts 2y ago
  Diminishing sectarian hierarchy and placing the church above everything else is a clever strategy for an organization seeking to control your thoughts, your actions, your relationships, your financial obligations, and even your eternal fate.
  - Affric 2y ago
    > Diminishing sectarian hierarchy Boy, oh boy, did that backfire!
- spiderfarmer 2y ago
  That's a manipulation trick if I've ever seen one.

kyleee 2y ago

You’ve left out Islam which has arguably brought the most significant levels of peace and morality, without relying on subjugation and force

Affric 2y ago
> Islam not relying on subjugation and force Ah yeah, so long as we disregard a lot of history both within and outside of Islamic societies this is true. Huge waves of conquests, the jizya. These are all coercive as any Christian state act.
spiderfarmer 2y ago
Have you ever read a history book?

Affric 2y ago

Yeah but none of the thinkers you listed came close to saying something as radical "the first shall be last and the last shall be first". Like any moral philosophy professed Christianity has it's flaws, is professed by many a hypocrite, and worn as a cover for many a wicked person but its message on equality goes further than pretty much all moral philosophy I know from any earlier time.

rbetts 2y ago
Diminishing sectarian hierarchy and placing the church above everything else is a clever strategy for an organization seeking to control your thoughts, your actions, your relationships, your financial obligations, and even your eternal fate.
- Affric 2y ago
  > Diminishing sectarian hierarchy Boy, oh boy, did that backfire!
spiderfarmer 2y ago
That's a manipulation trick if I've ever seen one.