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Not that it would ever be enforced against these people (and not like I agree with the ordinance existing at all) but the “typical weekend stoop hang” seems lik
by Lammy 2y ago
Not that it would ever be enforced against these people (and not like I agree with the ordinance existing at all) but the “typical weekend stoop hang” seems like it would definitely be illegal by a strict reading of San Francisco Police Code §168 a.k.a the “sit/lie law”: https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/san_francisco/latest/sf_police/0-0-0-702 https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/san_francisco/latest/s...
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> Present laws that prohibit the intentional, willful or malicious obstruction of pedestrians do not adequately address the safety hazards, disruption and deterrence to pedestrian traffic caused by persons sitting or lying on sidewalks.
> (b) Prohibition. In the City and County of San Francisco, during the hours between seven (7:00) a.m. and eleven (11:00) p.m., it is unlawful to sit or lie down upon a public sidewalk, or any object placed upon a public sidewalk.
> (c) Exceptions. The prohibitions in Subsection (b) shall not apply to any person:
> 1. Sitting or lying down on a public sidewalk due to a medical emergency;
> 2. Using a wheelchair, walker, or similar device as the result of a disability;
> 3. Operating or patronizing a commercial establishment conducted on the public sidewalk pursuant to a sidewalk use permit;
> 4. Participating in or attending a parade, festival, performance, rally, demonstration, meeting, or similar event conducted on the public sidewalk pursuant to and in compliance with a street use or other applicable permit;
> 5. Sitting on a fixed chair or bench located on the public sidewalk supplied by a public agency or by the abutting private property owner;
> 6. Sitting in line for goods or services unless the person or person's possessions impede the ability of pedestrians to travel along the length of the sidewalk or enter a doorway or other entrance alongside the sidewalk;
> 7. Who is a child seated in a stroller; or
> 8. Who is in an area designated as a Pavement to Parks project.
- etothepii 2y agoDoes this get covered in the post, "in front of neighbours drive" then one is covered by 5, no? or by the abutting private property owner;
- Lammy 2y agoThose are all folding/portable chairs, not fixed chairs. There are a few fixed benches built into the sidewalk in front of a few houses in my neighborhood, and 5 would apply to them. I'm also curious how this could be interpreted for someone who is merely a renter and not the private property owner. edit: LOL they edited it out in response to my comment. There was a photo of a circle of folding chairs between the first selfie and the pancake party photo: https://i.imgur.com/Ygd8Of6.png https://i.imgur.com/Ygd8Of6.png
- mgfist 2y agoClassic example of the hidden costs of well intentioned regulation.
- BobAliceInATree 2y agoWell-intentioned? This is I’m just anti-homeless legislation.