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i wish people, before they commented on really really serious things, did a bit of reflection. > effectively not driven by individuals whatsoever the agency o

i wish people, before they commented on really really serious things, did a bit of reflection. > effectively not driven by individuals whatsoever the agency of individuals in totalitarian/authoritarian institutions has been examined/analyzed/written about at enormous length since the rise of fascism in the early 1900s. the short answer is you're wrong but i'm not going to try to convince you (you have to want to learn to be receptive). instead i recommend a book: https://www.amazon.com/Eichmann-Jerusalem-Banality-Penguin-Classics/dp/0143039881 https://www.amazon.com/Eichmann-Jerusalem-Banality-Penguin-C... EDIT: i'm being rate limited. to the guy below > how even a system full of good intentions you're just proving all of my points - you just can't fathom that the laws really were written with immoral intentions because "the law" is sacrosanct for you. i note again: the 13th amendment abolished slavery except for in prisons. it's written explicitly in section 1 (no bad faith interpretation needed). please discuss for me the "good intentions" therein.

sorcerer-mar 2y ago
The vast majority of bad outcomes of big systems are not because they’re principally designed for evil and just lacking a few dissenters. Most systems today are intended to produce outcomes that most people agree would be good, and they’re full of people trying to achieve those outcomes, and yet reliably failing to produce them. There have been books written about this topic as well, but it’s not as flashy as comparing “every system that produces some bad results” to actual Nazis, I have to admit.
- balamatom 2y ago
  Because the underlying meta-system is the one that produces the people. Complete with their understanding of what "good" is. The important thing is for that energy to be expended in the pursuit of certain outcomes; the goals themselves are already self-contradictory. The meta-system uses that to reproduce itself. Our lives are secondary to that goal.
TimorousBestie 2y ago
Having it read it again just last year, I’d like to emphasize _Eichmann in Jerusalem_ does support the point being made here.

sorcerer-mar 2y ago

The vast majority of bad outcomes of big systems are not because they’re principally designed for evil and just lacking a few dissenters. Most systems today are intended to produce outcomes that most people agree would be good, and they’re full of people trying to achieve those outcomes, and yet reliably failing to produce them. There have been books written about this topic as well, but it’s not as flashy as comparing “every system that produces some bad results” to actual Nazis, I have to admit.

balamatom 2y ago
Because the underlying meta-system is the one that produces the people. Complete with their understanding of what "good" is. The important thing is for that energy to be expended in the pursuit of certain outcomes; the goals themselves are already self-contradictory. The meta-system uses that to reproduce itself. Our lives are secondary to that goal.

TimorousBestie 2y ago

Having it read it again just last year, I’d like to emphasize _Eichmann in Jerusalem_ does support the point being made here.