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Musk is not a fascist. Fascists don't follow neoclassical economics. Fascism is a very clear and well defined philosophy. None of what is going on fits that def

Musk is not a fascist. Fascists don't follow neoclassical economics. Fascism is a very clear and well defined philosophy. None of what is going on fits that definition. He's not even Hegelian.

Cthulhu_ 2y ago
Ok cool, hard definitions of facism aside, his decisions and political opinions are not in line with a free and equitable society / civilization.
- cyberjerkXX 2y ago
  "Free and equitable" - Yes, he's not a socialist. He's a Liberal.
  - archagon 2y ago
    “Musk accuses Trump impeachment witness of ‘treason’ and calls for ‘appropriate penalty’” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-elon-musk-vindman-treason-impeachment-b2655133.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... Yep, so liberal, doesn’t sound like a fascist even a little.
    - cyberjerkXX 2y ago
      A political squabble in the media is still not fascism... Once again - wake me up when they ban political parties, centralized power to the federal government, install political officers in the public and private sectors, and ban capitalism.
      - archagon 2y ago
        So… you want to be woken up when it’s far too late to actually do anything about it?
        cyberjerkXX 2y ago
        Yes - wake me up when there's real fascism and a not political opposition using rhetoric to scare monger their base. You're misrepresenting your political opponents views to justify feeling morally superior. I bet you've never even tried to understand you opposition's point of view in good faith.
dragonwriter 2y ago
> Musk is not a fascist. He is an active, high-level, participant (formally an adivsor, clearly practically exercising directive influence) in a fascist, kleptocratic regime. There may be some definition of personally being a fascist where this is consistent with him not being a fascist, but I would suggest that any such definition is inconsistent with what the bast majority of people you might speak to mean by “being a fascist”. > Fascists don't follow neoclassical economics. Neoclassical economics, like Newtonian mechanics, is an approximate descriptive model, not a normative system; to the degree that it is accurate, everyone follows it, regardless of ideology.
- cyberjerkXX 2y ago
  He, and Trump, do not meet the definition of fascism. He is not pushing the supremacy of the State. He is not stating the State must control all aspects of society. He is not forcing businesses to close because they don't support the State. He is not banning other political parties. He is not Anti-Democracy. He is not Anti-Liberalism. They do not practice Hegelian Dialectic. These are the requirements for Fascism. Musk and Trump - are well within the bounds of Liberalism. They may not be John Rawls. Trump is a Neo-Liberal protectionist. Musk tends to be more classical liberalism.
  - acdha 2y ago
    They’re saying that organizations which do not support his politics should lose federal funding. He’s blackballing law firms based on their employees having represented the other side in his cases. He’s arguing in court right now that he doesn’t need to follow laws which conflict with his plans.
    - cyberjerkXX 2y ago
      Ok - cool. He's acting political within the bounds of precedence and a liberal democracy. It still doesn't meet the definition of fascism. Wake me up when he bans political parties, centralized power to the federal government, installs political officers in the public and private sectors, and bans capitalism. You may not like it - but his constituents elected him to defund, or try to (congress is really the only people who can), those politically bias programs. This is how democracy works.

Musk is not a fascist. Fascists don't follow neoclassical economics. Fascism is a very clear and well defined philosophy. None of what is going on fits that definition. He's not even Hegelian.

Cthulhu_ 2y ago

Ok cool, hard definitions of facism aside, his decisions and political opinions are not in line with a free and equitable society / civilization.

cyberjerkXX 2y ago
"Free and equitable" - Yes, he's not a socialist. He's a Liberal.
- archagon 2y ago
  “Musk accuses Trump impeachment witness of ‘treason’ and calls for ‘appropriate penalty’” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-elon-musk-vindman-treason-impeachment-b2655133.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... Yep, so liberal, doesn’t sound like a fascist even a little.
  - cyberjerkXX 2y ago
    A political squabble in the media is still not fascism... Once again - wake me up when they ban political parties, centralized power to the federal government, install political officers in the public and private sectors, and ban capitalism.
    - archagon 2y ago
      So… you want to be woken up when it’s far too late to actually do anything about it?
      - cyberjerkXX 2y ago
        Yes - wake me up when there's real fascism and a not political opposition using rhetoric to scare monger their base. You're misrepresenting your political opponents views to justify feeling morally superior. I bet you've never even tried to understand you opposition's point of view in good faith.

dragonwriter 2y ago

> Musk is not a fascist. He is an active, high-level, participant (formally an adivsor, clearly practically exercising directive influence) in a fascist, kleptocratic regime. There may be some definition of personally being a fascist where this is consistent with him not being a fascist, but I would suggest that any such definition is inconsistent with what the bast majority of people you might speak to mean by “being a fascist”. > Fascists don't follow neoclassical economics. Neoclassical economics, like Newtonian mechanics, is an approximate descriptive model, not a normative system; to the degree that it is accurate, everyone follows it, regardless of ideology.

cyberjerkXX 2y ago
He, and Trump, do not meet the definition of fascism. He is not pushing the supremacy of the State. He is not stating the State must control all aspects of society. He is not forcing businesses to close because they don't support the State. He is not banning other political parties. He is not Anti-Democracy. He is not Anti-Liberalism. They do not practice Hegelian Dialectic. These are the requirements for Fascism. Musk and Trump - are well within the bounds of Liberalism. They may not be John Rawls. Trump is a Neo-Liberal protectionist. Musk tends to be more classical liberalism.
- acdha 2y ago
  They’re saying that organizations which do not support his politics should lose federal funding. He’s blackballing law firms based on their employees having represented the other side in his cases. He’s arguing in court right now that he doesn’t need to follow laws which conflict with his plans.
  - cyberjerkXX 2y ago
    Ok - cool. He's acting political within the bounds of precedence and a liberal democracy. It still doesn't meet the definition of fascism. Wake me up when he bans political parties, centralized power to the federal government, installs political officers in the public and private sectors, and bans capitalism. You may not like it - but his constituents elected him to defund, or try to (congress is really the only people who can), those politically bias programs. This is how democracy works.