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Yeah not every developer does html templates for wordpress. Of course if your job is extremely simple and generic, AI can kinda figure it out.

by guappa 2y ago

ramesh31 2y ago
>"Yeah not every developer does html templates for wordpress. Of course if your job is extremely simple and generic, AI can kinda figure it out." Keep telling yourself this. It's only hurting you. I think anyone who isn't working heavily with agentic systems right now has absolutely no clue about the revolutionary things that have happened in the last six months or so. Our industry is going to be in a completely different universe this time next year.
- anonzzzies 2y ago
  ... next year Maybe... Why are you so sure? It's incredible what these models do but now it's all incremental and it's pretty clear LLMs are as bad at complexity as humans. If a system is of a realistic size of a business system, the llm will fuck up things mostly all the time unless you are a good coder with patience. It saves a lot of time, but it saves a lot of time of stuff that is 'just typing'; that is more than many programmers in this world can claim, but that's really another case. You are not doing anything that requires anything more than hello world context, because LLMs now really break down there.
- guappa 2y ago
  > Keep telling yourself this. It's only hurting you. I don't tell myself this. I just read your comment. You're welcome to be hired in my team, we're hiring. Then you can sit there and ask claude or copilot and be fired when your trial period ends.
  - ramesh31 2y ago
    >You're welcome to be hired in my team, we're hiring. Then you can sit there and ask claude or copilot and be fired when your trial period ends. I see this attitude a lot. As if "uses AI" === "can't program". Keep swinging that hammer, John Henry.
    - lynch_autists 2y ago
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    - guappa 2y ago
      Reading your comment, regardless of AI I think that.
    - mattmanser 2y ago
      You're obviously getting a lot of pushback, do you think people here haven't used these tools? Yes it's great at React/Frontend. Because that is mainly boilerplate. Hooking up click handlers and validators and submit buttons and fetch calls is boilerplate. It's just busy work. There can be complicated FE work, like making something like google maps, but how many of us ever need to do that? Most of the time if you did need to do something complicated, you get a library to do it ALL for you. Charts, maps, etc. If you've worked on more niche languages/tools/problems you start seeing behind the curtain. The trick. It's essentially just copying someone else's code and replacing the variables. I've inherited some robot framework tests. I tried it to fix a problem, the code it spat out (v1) was nonsense. I told it. It spat out some different code, v2. It's still wrong. It then spat out v1 again! It seemed to only have these two "templates" to use. No matter how I framed the questions, v1, v2, v1, v2, v1, v2. They didn't even compile. Hence why it's great at React, there are millions of examples for it to combine and refine. I'd love AI to take away a lot of boring coding. But in my honest experience anything much longer than 100/200 lines and the AI starts screwing it up. It can't work on a full codebase. It even does incredibly irritating things like remove code that's needed, forgetting code changes it's already made, and worse still deleting code updates or fixes you've made.
- stickfigure 2y ago
  "Past performance does not guarantee future results" You can't extrapolate from the last 6 months, especially with technologies this new. There's no Moore's Law of LLMs. Context windows are still tiny and the codebases that actually run our world are still huge. This time next year I expect you're going to be disappointed. Let me rephrase that. This time next year I expect that I will be disappointed but you will still be predicting a completely different universe... next year.
- tom_ 2y ago
  I remember hearing this about self driving cars.
  - anonzzzies 2y ago
    Don't worry; Elon says it's coming end of the year.
- pphysch 2y ago
  The large models are as good as their data, and there's a lot of data for common technologies and tasks, i.e. web stuff. Step out of that bubble, though, and it's a different world.

Yeah not every developer does html templates for wordpress. Of course if your job is extremely simple and generic, AI can kinda figure it out.

by guappa 2y ago

Yeah not every developer does html templates for wordpress. Of course if your job is extremely simple and generic, AI can kinda figure it out.

ramesh31 2y ago

>"Yeah not every developer does html templates for wordpress. Of course if your job is extremely simple and generic, AI can kinda figure it out." Keep telling yourself this. It's only hurting you. I think anyone who isn't working heavily with agentic systems right now has absolutely no clue about the revolutionary things that have happened in the last six months or so. Our industry is going to be in a completely different universe this time next year.

anonzzzies 2y ago
... next year Maybe... Why are you so sure? It's incredible what these models do but now it's all incremental and it's pretty clear LLMs are as bad at complexity as humans. If a system is of a realistic size of a business system, the llm will fuck up things mostly all the time unless you are a good coder with patience. It saves a lot of time, but it saves a lot of time of stuff that is 'just typing'; that is more than many programmers in this world can claim, but that's really another case. You are not doing anything that requires anything more than hello world context, because LLMs now really break down there.
guappa 2y ago
> Keep telling yourself this. It's only hurting you. I don't tell myself this. I just read your comment. You're welcome to be hired in my team, we're hiring. Then you can sit there and ask claude or copilot and be fired when your trial period ends.
- ramesh31 2y ago
  >You're welcome to be hired in my team, we're hiring. Then you can sit there and ask claude or copilot and be fired when your trial period ends. I see this attitude a lot. As if "uses AI" === "can't program". Keep swinging that hammer, John Henry.
  - lynch_autists 2y ago
    [dead]
  - guappa 2y ago
    Reading your comment, regardless of AI I think that.
  - mattmanser 2y ago
    You're obviously getting a lot of pushback, do you think people here haven't used these tools? Yes it's great at React/Frontend. Because that is mainly boilerplate. Hooking up click handlers and validators and submit buttons and fetch calls is boilerplate. It's just busy work. There can be complicated FE work, like making something like google maps, but how many of us ever need to do that? Most of the time if you did need to do something complicated, you get a library to do it ALL for you. Charts, maps, etc. If you've worked on more niche languages/tools/problems you start seeing behind the curtain. The trick. It's essentially just copying someone else's code and replacing the variables. I've inherited some robot framework tests. I tried it to fix a problem, the code it spat out (v1) was nonsense. I told it. It spat out some different code, v2. It's still wrong. It then spat out v1 again! It seemed to only have these two "templates" to use. No matter how I framed the questions, v1, v2, v1, v2, v1, v2. They didn't even compile. Hence why it's great at React, there are millions of examples for it to combine and refine. I'd love AI to take away a lot of boring coding. But in my honest experience anything much longer than 100/200 lines and the AI starts screwing it up. It can't work on a full codebase. It even does incredibly irritating things like remove code that's needed, forgetting code changes it's already made, and worse still deleting code updates or fixes you've made.
stickfigure 2y ago
"Past performance does not guarantee future results" You can't extrapolate from the last 6 months, especially with technologies this new. There's no Moore's Law of LLMs. Context windows are still tiny and the codebases that actually run our world are still huge. This time next year I expect you're going to be disappointed. Let me rephrase that. This time next year I expect that I will be disappointed but you will still be predicting a completely different universe... next year.
tom_ 2y ago
I remember hearing this about self driving cars.
- anonzzzies 2y ago
  Don't worry; Elon says it's coming end of the year.
pphysch 2y ago
The large models are as good as their data, and there's a lot of data for common technologies and tasks, i.e. web stuff. Step out of that bubble, though, and it's a different world.