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How would a European government accept any service from a company that has Peter Thiel as a major investor, the guy who funded JD Vance, the current USA VP set

How would a European government accept any service from a company that has Peter Thiel as a major investor, the guy who funded JD Vance, the current USA VP set to push the propaganda to promote hate and the destruction of the European Institutions, and Russian propaganda?

Zigurd 2y ago
It's the F-35 of data now. It wasn't two months ago. Back then, in the before times, it was what your best ally was pushing.
- SideburnsOfDoom 2y ago
  > It wasn't two months ago. Plenty of people on UK and Europe thought that putting full trust in Palantir was a terrible idea, 6 months or 18 months or more ago. I agree that the temperature on this has risen a lot recently, but the concern is longstanding. example from 2020: https://www.openrightsgroup.org/press-releases/nhs-must-explain-role-of-surveillance-company/ https://www.openrightsgroup.org/press-releases/nhs-must-expl...
  - Zigurd 2y ago
    TBF, the same applies to the F 35. In kind of the same way. Not only is it expensive to buy, you're committing to high sustainment costs from what should be a reliable ally.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 2y ago
      There are many parallels, yes. The Lockheed Martin F-35 is the flying manifestation of the US military-industrial hardware corporation complex, and Palantir's software is the Silicon valley military-surveillance big-data software corporation complex equivalent. And the new awareness will be similar https://www.eurasiantimes.com/another-country-regrets-f-35-purchase/ https://www.eurasiantimes.com/another-country-regrets-f-35-p... It's debatable which is more dangerous. Warplanes or lack of air defence poses one risk in a hot war, surveillance data poses a different risk but is in the background all the time.
trallnag 2y ago
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- libertine 2y ago
  Well, if you want to go there, you might as well go straight to the point and highlight precisely which ideologies you're referring to: JD Vance, and Elon Musk, supports the far right German anti-european party AfD[0] which has connections to Neo Nazism... You know the guys that are trying to rehabilitate Nazism and Hitler.[1] JD Vance also expressed his support for a Romanian candidate who illegally took Russian funding for his election run, after a major Russian propaganda campaign in Romania.[2] So let me clarify your statement: > Destroying the current European institutions can mean destroying Europe, according to extreme far right nazi rehabilitating parties and Russia. So yes, according to those ideologies, it can mean that. [0]https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/berlin-says-vance-should-not-interfere-german-politics-2025-02-14/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/berlin-says-vance-shoul... [1]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/25/afd-readmits-two-politicians-excluded-over-nazi-related-remarks https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/25/afd-readmits-t... [2]https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/elon-musk-ramps-up-romanian-election-row-branding-chief-judge-tyrant-2025-02-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/elon-musk-ramps-up-roma...
- jillyboel 2y ago
  since when has HN been overran by fascists? Concerning how GP got downvoted but this pro-nazi comment hasn't been.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 2y ago
    It's not in any way a recent thing.
jillyboel 2y ago
They absolutely shouldn't, but unfortunately it's not just the US that's corrupt. There's also the fact that most people in leadership are not great with IT and appear to be easily sold to.

Zigurd 2y ago

It's the F-35 of data now. It wasn't two months ago. Back then, in the before times, it was what your best ally was pushing.

SideburnsOfDoom 2y ago
> It wasn't two months ago. Plenty of people on UK and Europe thought that putting full trust in Palantir was a terrible idea, 6 months or 18 months or more ago. I agree that the temperature on this has risen a lot recently, but the concern is longstanding. example from 2020: https://www.openrightsgroup.org/press-releases/nhs-must-explain-role-of-surveillance-company/ https://www.openrightsgroup.org/press-releases/nhs-must-expl...
- Zigurd 2y ago
  TBF, the same applies to the F 35. In kind of the same way. Not only is it expensive to buy, you're committing to high sustainment costs from what should be a reliable ally.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 2y ago
    There are many parallels, yes. The Lockheed Martin F-35 is the flying manifestation of the US military-industrial hardware corporation complex, and Palantir's software is the Silicon valley military-surveillance big-data software corporation complex equivalent. And the new awareness will be similar https://www.eurasiantimes.com/another-country-regrets-f-35-purchase/ https://www.eurasiantimes.com/another-country-regrets-f-35-p... It's debatable which is more dangerous. Warplanes or lack of air defence poses one risk in a hot war, surveillance data poses a different risk but is in the background all the time.

trallnag 2y ago

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libertine 2y ago
Well, if you want to go there, you might as well go straight to the point and highlight precisely which ideologies you're referring to: JD Vance, and Elon Musk, supports the far right German anti-european party AfD[0] which has connections to Neo Nazism... You know the guys that are trying to rehabilitate Nazism and Hitler.[1] JD Vance also expressed his support for a Romanian candidate who illegally took Russian funding for his election run, after a major Russian propaganda campaign in Romania.[2] So let me clarify your statement: > Destroying the current European institutions can mean destroying Europe, according to extreme far right nazi rehabilitating parties and Russia. So yes, according to those ideologies, it can mean that. [0]https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/berlin-says-vance-should-not-interfere-german-politics-2025-02-14/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/berlin-says-vance-shoul... [1]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/25/afd-readmits-two-politicians-excluded-over-nazi-related-remarks https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/25/afd-readmits-t... [2]https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/elon-musk-ramps-up-romanian-election-row-branding-chief-judge-tyrant-2025-02-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/elon-musk-ramps-up-roma...
jillyboel 2y ago
since when has HN been overran by fascists? Concerning how GP got downvoted but this pro-nazi comment hasn't been.
- SideburnsOfDoom 2y ago
  It's not in any way a recent thing.

jillyboel 2y ago

They absolutely shouldn't, but unfortunately it's not just the US that's corrupt. There's also the fact that most people in leadership are not great with IT and appear to be easily sold to.