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This. Shoes are meaningless, pose, stride, biomechanical process.

threeseed 2y ago
They can make a difference for athletes: "The data showed significant differences in the oxygen uptake (a way to measure the energy cost of running) in the Vaporfly shoe resulting in a 2.8 percent improved running economy, or the amount of energy it takes a runner to go a certain distance, over the Adidas shoe on average" https://lifesciences.byu.edu/can-your-shoes-really-make-you-run-faster#:~:text=The%20data%20showed%20significant%20differences,the%20Adidas%20shoe%20on%20average. https://lifesciences.byu.edu/can-your-shoes-really-make-you-...
- iamacyborg 2y ago
  Also the significant benefits that comes from improved post-run recovery with modern super shoes, allowing athletes to run significantly more weekly mileage.
  - spacecadet 2y ago
    Proper post-run recovery allows for infinite distance.
- canucker2016 2y ago
  But not every runner sees improvement in time. so-called non-responders exist at the elite level but I don't recall seeing any analysis as to why some runners run faster and others don't with these carbon-plate shoes. [edit] a quick search found this article about supershoes and the range of response - see https://run.outsideonline.com/gear/super-shoe-hyper-responder/ https://run.outsideonline.com/gear/super-shoe-hyper-responde...
SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
If this were the case why don't we see more Olympians running in vibrams?
- Aldipower 2y ago
  Not vibrams, but please have a closeer look at those olypians shoes. These are very lightweight and most important _flat_ shoes, encouraging a natural running pose.
  - SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
    The best I could find was the 2023 berlin marathon, but looking at the shoes the heel and midfoot are flat while the forefoot is definitely raised. https://www.runningshoesguru.com/2023/09/the-shoes-of-the-winners-of-the-berlin-2023-marathon/ https://www.runningshoesguru.com/2023/09/the-shoes-of-the-wi...

They can make a difference for athletes: "The data showed significant differences in the oxygen uptake (a way to measure the energy cost of running) in the Vaporfly shoe resulting in a 2.8 percent improved running economy, or the amount of energy it takes a runner to go a certain distance, over the Adidas shoe on average" https://lifesciences.byu.edu/can-your-shoes-really-make-you-run-faster#:~:text=The%20data%20showed%20significant%20differences,the%20Adidas%20shoe%20on%20average. https://lifesciences.byu.edu/can-your-shoes-really-make-you-...

iamacyborg 2y ago
Also the significant benefits that comes from improved post-run recovery with modern super shoes, allowing athletes to run significantly more weekly mileage.
- spacecadet 2y ago
  Proper post-run recovery allows for infinite distance.
canucker2016 2y ago
But not every runner sees improvement in time. so-called non-responders exist at the elite level but I don't recall seeing any analysis as to why some runners run faster and others don't with these carbon-plate shoes. [edit] a quick search found this article about supershoes and the range of response - see https://run.outsideonline.com/gear/super-shoe-hyper-responder/ https://run.outsideonline.com/gear/super-shoe-hyper-responde...

SketchySeaBeast 2y ago

If this were the case why don't we see more Olympians running in vibrams?

Aldipower 2y ago
Not vibrams, but please have a closeer look at those olypians shoes. These are very lightweight and most important _flat_ shoes, encouraging a natural running pose.
- SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
  The best I could find was the 2023 berlin marathon, but looking at the shoes the heel and midfoot are flat while the forefoot is definitely raised. https://www.runningshoesguru.com/2023/09/the-shoes-of-the-winners-of-the-berlin-2023-marathon/ https://www.runningshoesguru.com/2023/09/the-shoes-of-the-wi...