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This sounds like great use of technology if you ask me. The only thing I'd complain about is that data would not be E2E encrypted :)
by sureIy 2y ago
This sounds like great use of technology if you ask me. The only thing I'd complain about is that data would not be E2E encrypted :)
- bee_rider 2y agoSeems like it’d be a good application for Bluetooth.
- Spooky23 2y agoBluetooth modelers don’t age well in these types of environments. Sound is much easier and more reliable.
- UnlockedSecrets 2y agoIn terms of a threat-risk analysis, the need of a physical microphone nearby i imagine more than makes up for the risk of an adversary knowing your water quality and electrical consumption as measured by your washer in almost everyones lives atleast..
- amy_petrik 2y agothe use of customer-central water usage data piques my interest. there's a huge market for selling water and waste data to advertisers and other companies interested in consumer data. This is one of my friend's startups, smartpipes, which is a type of smart sewage pipe - these smart washers remind me of smartpipe (which supports dishwasher waste!): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJklHwoYgBQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJklHwoYgBQ
- mmooss 2y agoIt also indicates when you are home or out, and likely an estimate of how many people live there. It could collect more data. Those pieces of data are combined with others, to form a full picture. This device doesn't need to collect it all itself. Survellance of private citizens is arguably the foundation of the very dangerous problems in societies around the world, taking away freedom, health, peace, and for most, prosperity. When do you stop it?
- tempay 2y agoI think you might have missed OPs point being about acoustically sending data rather than using bluetooth/WiFi. If someone is close enough to your home to listen to your washing machine (or more likely, inside) they can probably hear/see you more directly.
- mmooss 2y ago> I think you might have missed OPs point being about acoustically sending data rather than using bluetooth/WiFi I did! Thanks.
- sfn42 2y agoIf someone can get a bug into my home I'm pretty sure they already know how many people live there and whether we're home.. Ad if someone is bugging my home I think the data transfer from my dishwasher is quite literally the least of my worries.
- 05 2y ago> It also indicates when you are home or out Yeah, being able to record sounds that the washer makes would probably also enable you to analyze things people say and extract much more information than 'how many people live there' and 'are they home or not'. But fortunately for us, you need to actually press a physical button to make the machine sing the diagnostics..
- 8n4vidtmkvmk 2y agoWhy can't it be E2E encrypted? If you can encode data on sound waves, surely you can encode encrypted data on sound waves.
- gryfft 2y agoSeems to me like the overhead it would add would way outweigh the benefit for the use case. I wouldn't want to wait an extra 10 seconds for the audio to finish transmitting every time just to prevent nonexistent spies in my kitchen from listening in.
- Retr0id 2y agoThe data/time overhead would be negligible. Engineering overhead to implement it on the other hand, perhaps not.
- gryfft 2y ago> The data/time overhead would be negligible. Doubling or tripling the amount of data sent would be negligible over a wire, but an audio protocol won't be as snappy. Then there's the matter of trust/decryption. How are those keys being kept safe? What happens if I lose access?
- Retr0id 2y agoThen don't double or triple the amount of data sent. There's simply no need.
- stavros 2y agoYou can encrypt data and keep the exact same original byte size.
- gryfft 2y agoIf you're using symmetric encryption, sure. And then every dishwasher has the same symmetric key, guaranteeing it'll leak.