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I could have swore that was Dick Cheney.

hello_computer 2y ago
There were many people on the rowing team, but as someone who lived through it, Goldberg was one of its most vigorous members. One expects that there is a special place in hell for all of them.
- outer_web 2y ago
  And yet here you are saying we shouldn't listen to a story about people being bombed based on political calculus.
  - hello_computer 2y ago
    That is what you are imagining I am saying, but it is not what I said. I think everyone who lied us into the Iraq mess should have been civically un-personed decades ago. They should be limited to unclean jobs, and be required to walk a few steps behind their un-tainted betters. Yet as the Osho once said, "the people are retarded," so the architects of that catastrophe still hold prestigious positions. I will not waste an opportunity to remind people of what they did. The children do not understand how badly their futures have been diminished by this shedding of innocent blood.
    - outer_web 2y ago
      Just to clarify > Is this the same Jeff Goldberg who lied us into the Iraq War? Does not mean "we should doubt this article" but actually means > I think everyone involved in the Iraq mess should have been civically un-personed decades ago. They should be limited to unclean jobs, and be required to walk a few steps behind their un-tainted betters. Yet as the Osho once said, "the people are retarded," so the architects of that catastrophe still have jobs. I will not waste any opportunity to remind people of what they did. The children do not understand how badly their futures have been diminished by this shedding of innocent blood. My mistake.
      - hello_computer 2y ago
        I would believe it completely if it came from just about anyone else. The glove most definitely fits. A simple question is sufficient to direct intelligent people to his wikipedia. That is enough.
- ipython 2y ago
  I mean I lived through it too. So did many others on this site. And my most memorable image is of Colin Powell giving his speech about "yellow cake" to the UN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhWlPo3qxak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhWlPo3qxak. I don't even remember Goldberg or anything he wrote about it, fwiw.
  - hello_computer 2y ago
    You must've not sat with the old people watching the talking heads all day. Goldberg was ubiquitous. Per the wiki: Glenn Greenwald called Goldberg "one of the leading media cheerleaders for the attack on Iraq," saying Goldberg had "compiled a record of humiliating falsehood-dissemination in the run-up to the war that rivaled Judy Miller's both in terms of recklessness and destructive impact". Greenwald's assessment harmonizes with personal experience.

There were many people on the rowing team, but as someone who lived through it, Goldberg was one of its most vigorous members. One expects that there is a special place in hell for all of them.

outer_web 2y ago
And yet here you are saying we shouldn't listen to a story about people being bombed based on political calculus.
- hello_computer 2y ago
  That is what you are imagining I am saying, but it is not what I said. I think everyone who lied us into the Iraq mess should have been civically un-personed decades ago. They should be limited to unclean jobs, and be required to walk a few steps behind their un-tainted betters. Yet as the Osho once said, "the people are retarded," so the architects of that catastrophe still hold prestigious positions. I will not waste an opportunity to remind people of what they did. The children do not understand how badly their futures have been diminished by this shedding of innocent blood.
  - outer_web 2y ago
    Just to clarify > Is this the same Jeff Goldberg who lied us into the Iraq War? Does not mean "we should doubt this article" but actually means > I think everyone involved in the Iraq mess should have been civically un-personed decades ago. They should be limited to unclean jobs, and be required to walk a few steps behind their un-tainted betters. Yet as the Osho once said, "the people are retarded," so the architects of that catastrophe still have jobs. I will not waste any opportunity to remind people of what they did. The children do not understand how badly their futures have been diminished by this shedding of innocent blood. My mistake.
    - hello_computer 2y ago
      I would believe it completely if it came from just about anyone else. The glove most definitely fits. A simple question is sufficient to direct intelligent people to his wikipedia. That is enough.
ipython 2y ago
I mean I lived through it too. So did many others on this site. And my most memorable image is of Colin Powell giving his speech about "yellow cake" to the UN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhWlPo3qxak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhWlPo3qxak. I don't even remember Goldberg or anything he wrote about it, fwiw.
- hello_computer 2y ago
  You must've not sat with the old people watching the talking heads all day. Goldberg was ubiquitous. Per the wiki: Glenn Greenwald called Goldberg "one of the leading media cheerleaders for the attack on Iraq," saying Goldberg had "compiled a record of humiliating falsehood-dissemination in the run-up to the war that rivaled Judy Miller's both in terms of recklessness and destructive impact". Greenwald's assessment harmonizes with personal experience.