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Exact same way OpenAI does: by scraping data, ingesting it, processing it, incorporating it into its proprietary system, and using it to serve responses to quer
by xyzzyz 2y ago
Exact same way OpenAI does: by scraping data, ingesting it, processing it, incorporating it into its proprietary system, and using it to serve responses to queries.
This is not to say that I thing that any of this is wrong. I think that if what Google or OpenAI do is illegal, then the law is wrong, not Google or OpenAI.
- paulcole 2y agoIs it the exact same though?
- xyzzyz 2y agoSorry, do you have actual point, or are just trying to be pedantic? Strictly speaking, it’s not exact same, because no two different things are exact same, by definition. However, my point is that the same principle should apply to both.
- Iulioh 2y agoChatGPT is a substitute to the original work, Google redirects to the original work. (and yes,the synthesis on the top of the page is a problem, I agree)
- fffernan 2y agoLast I checked Google is not buying or pirating books for Google Search they just grab free data that has been provided.
- xyzzyz 2y agoWhat do you mean by “provided”, exactly? Just because something can be accessed via HTTP GET request doesn’t mean it’s legal to fetch it, and does not give you an implicit license to do with it whatever you want. Google, in fact, will happily, scrape, index, and serve queries from PDFs of illegally pirated copyrighted books.
- slowtrek 2y agoThe same way we can't process what a trillion dollars looks like, we can't actually process what large scale theft looks like. For shits and giggles, these people also have a trillion dollars.
- jdenning 2y agoYou might want to check again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_Guild,_Inc._v._Google,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_Guild,_Inc._v._Google,.... > For works still under copyright, Google scanned and entered the whole work into their searchable database, but only provided "snippet views" of the scanned pages in search results to users.
- mixmastamyk 2y agoSearch engines are an index to a first approximation. I realize they sometimes hoist a thesis sentence or two up to their page, but it feels substantially different than automating derivative works for sale.
- ls612 2y agowhat is the substantive difference between googling "filter records in dataframe by regular expression in Julia" vs asking ChatGPT/Grok/Claude the same thing (to name a totally non-random example I've been working with lately)?
- mixmastamyk 2y agoNot much difference for uncopyrightable facts, but ask for a portrait, report, or whole program, and you get closer to a problem. There is precedent around derivatives called "fair use," that can maybe give some guidance. Oracle lost the API copyright case, which might also be an important precedent.