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Main ideological information I learned in state schools: “there are these different ideologies” provided without judgement. There was even a devil’s advocate ar

Main ideological information I learned in state schools: “there are these different ideologies” provided without judgement. There was even a devil’s advocate argument for the south and slavery. In religious schools, even the best of them, I learned nothing about any ideology but the “true” one, everything else was people being deluded by the devil.

skyyler 2y ago
>Main ideological information I learned in state schools: “there are these different ideologies” provided without judgement. There was even a devil’s advocate argument for the south and slavery. Did you hear a "devil's advocate" argument for the burning of Tulsa, Oklahoma by white supremacists? Both-Sides-Ism isn't a real way to account for ideological coercion in education. It's just painting a picture that includes your enemies. What your enemies look like in the picture is LADEN with ideology.
ty6853 2y ago
Our state school played the pledge of allegiance every morning, had police with drug dogs doing sweep to great praise of the administration, and military recruiters begging us to come kill enemies of the state. The sanctioning of these activities for all to witness was part of the indoctrination -- praise for god was just replaced for worship of the government. Meanwhile basic civil stuff like how to invoke your rights a traffic stop was never even mentioned. This is why even as a hardline atheist I have sent at times my kid to private religious education, and I hope I can continue to afford it. Neither system is great but worshipping someone who exists only as an ideal entity in your mind seems marginally better than worshipping the world's largest incarceration machine and military aggressor.
- mullingitover 2y ago
  > Our state school played the pledge of allegiance every morning I had the opposite experience, I never did the pledge in public school (or in the Adventist schools), at least not regularly enough for me to recall, but in the evangelical school it was the entire school doing it together in a big room every damn morning, first thing. I'd argue religious schools are more likely to drill it into you than public schools on account of the "under God" part that they've retconned in. I also never saw military recruiters in public school, neither in military-dense Hawaii nor in deep red central Oregon.
  - skyyler 2y ago
    If you didn't notice the military recruiters in your US public school, I have to imagine you weren't paying attention. They posted up during lunch with tables and stuff where I was. Maybe they were just capitalizing on the 2008 recession. There was never an assembly dedicated to them; it was always just a kiosk-type thing students could walk up to.

skyyler 2y ago

>Main ideological information I learned in state schools: “there are these different ideologies” provided without judgement. There was even a devil’s advocate argument for the south and slavery. Did you hear a "devil's advocate" argument for the burning of Tulsa, Oklahoma by white supremacists? Both-Sides-Ism isn't a real way to account for ideological coercion in education. It's just painting a picture that includes your enemies. What your enemies look like in the picture is LADEN with ideology.

ty6853 2y ago

Our state school played the pledge of allegiance every morning, had police with drug dogs doing sweep to great praise of the administration, and military recruiters begging us to come kill enemies of the state. The sanctioning of these activities for all to witness was part of the indoctrination -- praise for god was just replaced for worship of the government. Meanwhile basic civil stuff like how to invoke your rights a traffic stop was never even mentioned. This is why even as a hardline atheist I have sent at times my kid to private religious education, and I hope I can continue to afford it. Neither system is great but worshipping someone who exists only as an ideal entity in your mind seems marginally better than worshipping the world's largest incarceration machine and military aggressor.

mullingitover 2y ago
> Our state school played the pledge of allegiance every morning I had the opposite experience, I never did the pledge in public school (or in the Adventist schools), at least not regularly enough for me to recall, but in the evangelical school it was the entire school doing it together in a big room every damn morning, first thing. I'd argue religious schools are more likely to drill it into you than public schools on account of the "under God" part that they've retconned in. I also never saw military recruiters in public school, neither in military-dense Hawaii nor in deep red central Oregon.
- skyyler 2y ago
  If you didn't notice the military recruiters in your US public school, I have to imagine you weren't paying attention. They posted up during lunch with tables and stuff where I was. Maybe they were just capitalizing on the 2008 recession. There was never an assembly dedicated to them; it was always just a kiosk-type thing students could walk up to.