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That is absolutely wild. How is this not on the front page?
by ahaferburg 2y ago
That is absolutely wild. How is this not on the front page?
- belter 2y agoHN front page is curated manually.
- AnimalMuppet 2y agoI don't believe your statement is accurate. [Edit: I interpreted "curated manually" to mean that dang picks each story that is on the front page. tptacek interpreted it to mean that, since users upvote and comment on stories, that's "manual curation". I interpret that as being "automatic curation", that is, an algorithm picks the front page stories, even though it's based on users' upvotes and comments. I cannot prove which of these two forms belter meant. Naturally, I prefer to think that it was the one I read it as, but I can squint hard enough to see tptacek's version.]
- tptacek 2y agoIt is (it's a combination of manual and community inputs) but almost certainly the reason this isn't on the front page is that lots of people flag stories about the Trump administration. I didn't flag this one (it's too juicy, and has a Signal connection) but I flag most of the other ones.
- neverokay 2y ago[flagged]
- otterley 2y agoModeration and ranking are not the same thing. The mods can put a story in the #1 slot, but they reserve that privilege for rare occasions.
- neverokay 2y agoSemantics. By knowing what meat to reveal amongst a group of tigers, you can effectively moderate the feeding frenzy. Some meat you keep hidden, lest they go nuts on each other for it. Now I guess, should this be made transparent?
- asdff 2y agoWhy flag any and not just see what the community engages with? You don't have to participate in threads about subjects you aren't interested in, you know. And the expectation that this is somehow taking time from the community who would otherwise be engaging in threads you are more interested in yourself, is a little, well, self centered to me.
- tptacek 2y agoI'm going to keep flagging all of them, because these stories are all activating and attract tons of upvotes and comments, filling the front page with repetitive recapitulations of the same tired arguments. It's not what HN is for.
- asdff 2y agoIs it not for discussing topics of interest to the community?
- tptacek 2y agoIt's for discussing on-topic topics of interest to the community, where on-topic specifically excludes "most stories about politics", which is a very easy to bar to clear when the stories you're flagging are literally duplicative of stories with hundreds or thousands of comments on them already.
- neverokay 2y agoBecause they are long-running discussions, it’s not repetitive. When we allow Rust or JS threads to keep popping up, it’s because we evolve with the topic over time and continuously discuss it. What the HN shadow mod team is doing is killing the possibility of a long-running, evolving discourse on important topics.
- pvg 2y agoRust and JS threads are on topic for the site, most current events stuff is not. is killing the possibility of a long-running, evolving discourse on important topics. These topics have been the most discussed topics on HN the last couple of months by a massive margin. The quality of 'discourse' has been abysmal so we know empirically the 'evolution' theory/hope is misplaced.
- belter 2y agoIn the front page number 8 is 19 points - 3 hours ago | 1 comment number 30 is 38 points 16 hours ago | 0 comments number 7 is 13 points | 3 comments This one has 142 points and 35 comments in 2 hours. Is neither on the first or second page. What is the logic?
- Jtsummers 2y ago> What is the logic? The logic is that people have flagged it, but not enough for it to be marked [flagged], which downranks it. dang, if notified or interested in it himself, could turn off flagging for this submission which would likely bring it back to the front page (given comment activity, age, and current score). You could email him and ask nicely. You've been on this site for 4 years with 57k karma so you must be very active here, I'm surprised you don't know this yet.
- neverokay 2y agoIt’s not about whether the person knows or not. It’s more about that the person can’t believe this is happening even if it follows all the norms that we’re all supposed to know about, apparently. In other words, just because such a system could be used in this way, is it good that it is being used this way? That’s the energy this is coming from. But I agree with your premise, even in its snark, none of us are stupid - we should already know.
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- _tk_ 2y agoAs far as I know, if submissions get flagged they get downranked. Not sure about the details.
- AnimalMuppet 2y agoIt's not currently flagged, though. (Or at least, it's not currently marked [flagged].)
- llm_nerd 2y agodang has detailed this before. After so many flags vs upvotes, a post is pushed to the bottom of the third page or top of four page of results. This is is before the [flagged] state is reached. You can often find highly upvoted but "politically contentious" submissions at position 90 or above.
- bloopernova 2y agoOr use https://news.ycombinator.com/active https://news.ycombinator.com/active It's not linked from the homepage though.
- neverokay 2y ago[flagged]
- 4ndrewl 2y agoTo what end? How is this newsworthy any more? It has the President's blessing - that's all you need now. If literally storming your government building, threating your representatives and injuring police officers isn't punishable any more what is?
- neverokay 2y agoIt does really feel like we are men watching our women and children accosted. We feel impotent as the public currently.
- gitaarik 2y ago[flagged]
- preisschild 2y ago"same about foe example Hunter Biden" Hunter never worked in the Biden Admin though, so it is completely irrelevant.
- gitaarik 2y agoAre people that stormed the Capitol in the Trump administration?
- 4ndrewl 2y agoAgain, it literally doesn't matter. Game's gone. No-one will get punished for this because everyone knows it's a waste of effort and they'll be pardoned.
- gitaarik 2y agoWell, as it turns out it is frontpage news. And I think there will be some eyes on it. I'm not claiming this a non-issue, but I find it unfair to say that this is a particular replican problem. I think it's government in general.
- timeon 2y agoOmerta.
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