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Not just days - months. We saw A1 headlines for months about Clinton's emails. Often daily.

by UncleMeat 2y ago

bediger4000 2y ago
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- llm_nerd 2y ago
  It's extraordinary to me when anyone claims that the "MSM" is left leaning. If it was, Trump's hubris, criminality, ignorance, senility, self-dealing grift and myopia would yield an unending series of "WTF?" type headlines. Instead they sane wash it. The guy is sending plane loads of who-knows-who to a country that they have no association with, based upon zero charges or due process, where they are imprisoned into basically slavery. This is so outrageously beyond the pale illegal, both in US and international law, that it is just mind-blowing, but it's just another day. Good god. Despotic, banana-republic autocrat behaviour is now just...accepted. I saw a complaint by a right wing figure noting the increased number of injunctions Trump has received versus prior presidents. Instead of rationally thinking "gosh...maybe he shouldn't contravene the constitution and/or break laws so frequently", they actually think it's unfair and needs to be balanced. It's a shocking collapse of norms or reason. It is incredibly dark times.
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
    > It's extraordinary to me when anyone claims that the "MSM" is left leaning. It’s not that weird when you consider where they get that opinion.
- tptacek 2y ago
  Who cares? To a first approximation everybody who reads the NYT (really: any newspaper) opposes Trump. People obsess about NYT coverage decisions, but the NYT has approximately zero political influence in 2025. If education and engagement depolarize, that could change, but it hasn't yet.
  - UncleMeat 2y ago
    The NYT amplifying a story in a ridiculous manner can convince democrats to stay home because "ugh, they are all crooks."
    - tptacek 2y ago
      That's not what happened in the last election; in fact, the Democrats did marginally better with engaged voters. Anyways, I'm just saying, there's not much point to doing kremlinology about what the NYT is reporting.
      - UncleMeat 2y ago
        The "but her emails" jokes in this context are all about the 2016 election.
      - egberts1 2y ago
        Democrats provided a negative 6,265,888 votes for better engagement in Election 2024 than in 2020. But Democrat engagement was somehow negative marginally higher, at huge expense by independent voters. https://web.archive.org/web/20250114165808/https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-swings/ https://web.archive.org/web/20250114165808/https://projects.... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election#Voter%20demographics https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_president...
        tptacek 2y ago
        "Democrats" are not a coherent, monolithic entity. But we have data on which cohorts of that coalition did and didn't turn out.
        egberts1 2y ago
        As ABC tried to subsume 538 out of existance for its accurate breakdown of coalitions.
  - 2y ago

Not just days - months. We saw A1 headlines for months about Clinton's emails. Often daily.

bediger4000 2y ago

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llm_nerd 2y ago
It's extraordinary to me when anyone claims that the "MSM" is left leaning. If it was, Trump's hubris, criminality, ignorance, senility, self-dealing grift and myopia would yield an unending series of "WTF?" type headlines. Instead they sane wash it. The guy is sending plane loads of who-knows-who to a country that they have no association with, based upon zero charges or due process, where they are imprisoned into basically slavery. This is so outrageously beyond the pale illegal, both in US and international law, that it is just mind-blowing, but it's just another day. Good god. Despotic, banana-republic autocrat behaviour is now just...accepted. I saw a complaint by a right wing figure noting the increased number of injunctions Trump has received versus prior presidents. Instead of rationally thinking "gosh...maybe he shouldn't contravene the constitution and/or break laws so frequently", they actually think it's unfair and needs to be balanced. It's a shocking collapse of norms or reason. It is incredibly dark times.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
  > It's extraordinary to me when anyone claims that the "MSM" is left leaning. It’s not that weird when you consider where they get that opinion.
tptacek 2y ago
Who cares? To a first approximation everybody who reads the NYT (really: any newspaper) opposes Trump. People obsess about NYT coverage decisions, but the NYT has approximately zero political influence in 2025. If education and engagement depolarize, that could change, but it hasn't yet.
- UncleMeat 2y ago
  The NYT amplifying a story in a ridiculous manner can convince democrats to stay home because "ugh, they are all crooks."
  - tptacek 2y ago
    That's not what happened in the last election; in fact, the Democrats did marginally better with engaged voters. Anyways, I'm just saying, there's not much point to doing kremlinology about what the NYT is reporting.
    - UncleMeat 2y ago
      The "but her emails" jokes in this context are all about the 2016 election.
    - egberts1 2y ago
      Democrats provided a negative 6,265,888 votes for better engagement in Election 2024 than in 2020. But Democrat engagement was somehow negative marginally higher, at huge expense by independent voters. https://web.archive.org/web/20250114165808/https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-swings/ https://web.archive.org/web/20250114165808/https://projects.... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election#Voter%20demographics https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_president...
      - tptacek 2y ago
        "Democrats" are not a coherent, monolithic entity. But we have data on which cohorts of that coalition did and didn't turn out.
        egberts1 2y ago
        As ABC tried to subsume 538 out of existance for its accurate breakdown of coalitions.
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