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To discount individual achievement is such a disservice to humanity. There is absolutely an environmental benefit but i take issue with the totally BS if they

To discount individual achievement is such a disservice to humanity. There is absolutely an environmental benefit but i take issue with the totally BS if they didn't do it someone else would on all things is such a knee cap to individual merit and ability. Merit and ability sit atop of the works of all humanity but without it nothing would be accomplished.

rtkwe 2y ago
It's not about wiping out individual achievements it's just about recognizing that no one does it alone and that some ideas were just ready to explode. Radio, Calculus, the Steam Engine, etc all had simultaneous inventions in many areas or get commonly attributed to one particular person are actually just built up to a point they can be successful through the work of dozens of people. I'm also not saying it's 100% structural or economic just the education tends to highlight individuals instead of fully covering all the others that were just behind the person who's getting the lion's share of the credit historically.
- boringg 2y ago
  It is fundamentally about taking away individual achievement. Of course other people are involved - stating the obvious isn't enlightening. Individual merit, insight and achievement should absolutely be celebrated. This whole effort to say we'd be where we are as humans scientifically regardless of individual effort and intellect is shades of cultural revolution and 100% rewriting history. It's the equivalent of saying individuality isn't needed and it's 100% wrong. Recognize other contributors of course, but don't discount individuals.
  - rtkwe 2y ago
    You're arguing against an imaginary position, no one is really arguing that people don't and didn't have to work for the things they managed to do just that there are structural and historical forces that made what they do possible and in many cases others were right on their heels (or actually succeeded first but didn't commercialize or document their successes).

rtkwe 2y ago

It's not about wiping out individual achievements it's just about recognizing that no one does it alone and that some ideas were just ready to explode. Radio, Calculus, the Steam Engine, etc all had simultaneous inventions in many areas or get commonly attributed to one particular person are actually just built up to a point they can be successful through the work of dozens of people. I'm also not saying it's 100% structural or economic just the education tends to highlight individuals instead of fully covering all the others that were just behind the person who's getting the lion's share of the credit historically.

boringg 2y ago
It is fundamentally about taking away individual achievement. Of course other people are involved - stating the obvious isn't enlightening. Individual merit, insight and achievement should absolutely be celebrated. This whole effort to say we'd be where we are as humans scientifically regardless of individual effort and intellect is shades of cultural revolution and 100% rewriting history. It's the equivalent of saying individuality isn't needed and it's 100% wrong. Recognize other contributors of course, but don't discount individuals.
- rtkwe 2y ago
  You're arguing against an imaginary position, no one is really arguing that people don't and didn't have to work for the things they managed to do just that there are structural and historical forces that made what they do possible and in many cases others were right on their heels (or actually succeeded first but didn't commercialize or document their successes).