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European Union OS – Fedora Linux and KDE Plasma Based

29 points by maverick74 2y ago

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Rick76 2y ago
I understand this isn't an official EU project, but with the ongoing trade war and Europe's desire to distance itself from US big tech, I'm excited to see what they develop. Americans might appreciate this too, as the internet today is dominated by a handful of companies, leading to excessive polarization. The first thing that needs competition imo is Youtube, there is nothing like it.
- hulitu 2y ago
  > Europe's desire to distance itself from US big tech Who ? IBM ? Never heard about it. /s
akagusu 2y ago
Based on Fedora which is owned by a US company. Why?
- dagw 2y ago
  Yea. If they want to support EU based companies and tech, why wouldn't they use SuSE? Or base it on Debian if they don't want to be 'beholden' to any company.
  - fsflover 2y ago
    > Or base it on Debian if they don't want to be 'beholden' to any company. Debian typically doesn't support new hardware and software while Fedora does. Personally, I found the balance by using both inside Qubes OS.
    - jrjsmrtn 2y ago
      Debian Stable and Fedora answer to different use cases. I wouldn't use Fedora on any production server.
- fsflover 2y ago
  They are aware of that, https://gitlab.com/eu-os/eu-os.gitlab.io/-/issues/2#note_2406865186 https://gitlab.com/eu-os/eu-os.gitlab.io/-/issues/2#note_240.... What would you suggest?
  - Symbiote 2y ago
    SuSE is the obvious choice, and I'm surprised that some European Linux developers aren't aware of this. They don't mention it at all on the linked "Goals" page.
  - myaccountonhn 2y ago
    If I can dream: a custom built distro using pkgsrc+pkgin as package manager. Improving pkgsrc means that other distros and operating systems can take advantage of it too, making for a more diverse ecosystem. A more serious choice would be Suse.
  - BSDobelix 2y ago
    >>What would you suggest? EVERY other Community distro: Debian Gentoo Guix Nix FreeBSD etc....
- Rick76 2y ago
  It's not just about avoiding the US out of anger; it's more about preventing US companies from having too much control over their citizens and daily lives. By focusing on open-source solutions, whether American or not, it should serves their purpose. They can move all packages to a EU server, and manage it more directly this way Thats what I belive but im no expert especially on the law, but I dont see an issue with US opensource unless the EU straight up penalizing any technology thats developed in the US, which Id doubt they would do.
  - banqjls 2y ago
    > It's not just about avoiding the US out of anger Definitely not the feeling I’m getting from progressive tech circles these weeks.
    - couscouspie 2y ago
      Definitely the feeling I'm getting from progressive tech circles in Europe these days.
- tmtvl 2y ago
  Because people don't know OpenSUSE and Mageia exist.
- BSDobelix 2y ago
  Yes, it's incredibly stupid, there is already EuroLinux (RHEL) and now EU OS (Fedora), Fedora and RHEL are not community distros. Is this some kind of testbed for ChatControl2.0? From the Site: Sovereign OS built to the requirements for the EU public sector Sleek OS that is fast and eco-friendly on new and old hardware Yes...no. Fedora is not sovereign, nor is KDE "sleek". Must be a troll distribution, I trust HannaMontana Linux 10x more.
  - couscouspie 2y ago
    How exactly is Fedora, a FOSS under the GPL license, not sovereign?
    - BSDobelix 2y ago
      Fedora does what RedHat/IBM want's. For example not shipping patented Codecs because RedHat could be sued. Same with openSUSE (the "community"-distro from SLES). >Red Hat: why I'm going all in on community-driven Linux distros: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUXYbt1eLTA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUXYbt1eLTA
- tapoxi 2y ago
  It's Kinoite, not stock Fedora, which is ideal for a mass deployment like this. It also means the actual OS doesn't really matter as it's ultimately just a tool to run Flatpak and OCI containers.
- dookahku 2y ago
  software supply chain issues. they may try to fork their own everything in time, if it gets that bad... the same reason the US had to find out how chinese rare earth magnets made it in to the F35, for example.
- couscouspie 2y ago
  It doesn't matter where software was produced or where it's core contributors reside. As long as it is fully open sourced and distributed under the GPL license (as Fedora) it is by nature an independent technology that empowers the user to claim their own sovereignty.
  - jrjsmrtn 2y ago
    Correct. But being open source and distributed under the GPL is not enough. RedHat or SuSE have a more indeterminate future due to their shareholders control, frequent changes of owners, distro licensing or source code availability. Debian, the distro, is almost boring but has the largest platform scope and one of the largest package base. Debian, the organisation, with its community, its policies, its social contract, its independence, has proven its resilience over and over again. In addition to Debian's LTS and ELTS support, the Civil Infrastructure Platform (https://www.cip-project.org https://www.cip-project.org) provides Super-Long-Term Stable (SLTS) kernels for ten years. Want paid support ? Look at companies like Freexian. Want reproducible builds? (https://reproducible-builds.org https://reproducible-builds.org) Look at https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds (And yes, I'm very aware of NixOS/Guix). Thus, why start a new Linux distribution if we want sovereignty? Let's support and build on the Debian project and community, the Civil Infrastructure Platform, the Linux Foundation, the reproducible builds projects. Let's support Proxmox, a EU-born VMware alternative based on Debian ! :-) Developer resources are scarce, maintainers burnout is real. Let's not waste energy on futile projects. Let's build our sovereignty on solid, existing foundations.
    - jrjsmrtn 2y ago
      Oh, and let's move to RISC-V. ;-)
- lr1970 2y ago
  Right, why not SUSE Linux which is European?
WhereIsTheTruth 2y ago
Red Hat.., next..
jeroen79 2y ago
As a European i don't want fedora or kde give us something more modern and gtk based please.

29 points by maverick74 2y ago

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I understand this isn't an official EU project, but with the ongoing trade war and Europe's desire to distance itself from US big tech, I'm excited to see what they develop. Americans might appreciate this too, as the internet today is dominated by a handful of companies, leading to excessive polarization. The first thing that needs competition imo is Youtube, there is nothing like it.

hulitu 2y ago
> Europe's desire to distance itself from US big tech Who ? IBM ? Never heard about it. /s

akagusu 2y ago

Based on Fedora which is owned by a US company. Why?

dagw 2y ago
Yea. If they want to support EU based companies and tech, why wouldn't they use SuSE? Or base it on Debian if they don't want to be 'beholden' to any company.
- fsflover 2y ago
  > Or base it on Debian if they don't want to be 'beholden' to any company. Debian typically doesn't support new hardware and software while Fedora does. Personally, I found the balance by using both inside Qubes OS.
  - jrjsmrtn 2y ago
    Debian Stable and Fedora answer to different use cases. I wouldn't use Fedora on any production server.
fsflover 2y ago
They are aware of that, https://gitlab.com/eu-os/eu-os.gitlab.io/-/issues/2#note_2406865186 https://gitlab.com/eu-os/eu-os.gitlab.io/-/issues/2#note_240.... What would you suggest?
- Symbiote 2y ago
  SuSE is the obvious choice, and I'm surprised that some European Linux developers aren't aware of this. They don't mention it at all on the linked "Goals" page.
- myaccountonhn 2y ago
  If I can dream: a custom built distro using pkgsrc+pkgin as package manager. Improving pkgsrc means that other distros and operating systems can take advantage of it too, making for a more diverse ecosystem. A more serious choice would be Suse.
- BSDobelix 2y ago
  >>What would you suggest? EVERY other Community distro: Debian Gentoo Guix Nix FreeBSD etc....
Rick76 2y ago
It's not just about avoiding the US out of anger; it's more about preventing US companies from having too much control over their citizens and daily lives. By focusing on open-source solutions, whether American or not, it should serves their purpose. They can move all packages to a EU server, and manage it more directly this way Thats what I belive but im no expert especially on the law, but I dont see an issue with US opensource unless the EU straight up penalizing any technology thats developed in the US, which Id doubt they would do.
- banqjls 2y ago
  > It's not just about avoiding the US out of anger Definitely not the feeling I’m getting from progressive tech circles these weeks.
  - couscouspie 2y ago
    Definitely the feeling I'm getting from progressive tech circles in Europe these days.
tmtvl 2y ago
Because people don't know OpenSUSE and Mageia exist.
BSDobelix 2y ago
Yes, it's incredibly stupid, there is already EuroLinux (RHEL) and now EU OS (Fedora), Fedora and RHEL are not community distros. Is this some kind of testbed for ChatControl2.0? From the Site: Sovereign OS built to the requirements for the EU public sector Sleek OS that is fast and eco-friendly on new and old hardware Yes...no. Fedora is not sovereign, nor is KDE "sleek". Must be a troll distribution, I trust HannaMontana Linux 10x more.
- couscouspie 2y ago
  How exactly is Fedora, a FOSS under the GPL license, not sovereign?
  - BSDobelix 2y ago
    Fedora does what RedHat/IBM want's. For example not shipping patented Codecs because RedHat could be sued. Same with openSUSE (the "community"-distro from SLES). >Red Hat: why I'm going all in on community-driven Linux distros: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUXYbt1eLTA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUXYbt1eLTA
tapoxi 2y ago
It's Kinoite, not stock Fedora, which is ideal for a mass deployment like this. It also means the actual OS doesn't really matter as it's ultimately just a tool to run Flatpak and OCI containers.
dookahku 2y ago
software supply chain issues. they may try to fork their own everything in time, if it gets that bad... the same reason the US had to find out how chinese rare earth magnets made it in to the F35, for example.
couscouspie 2y ago
It doesn't matter where software was produced or where it's core contributors reside. As long as it is fully open sourced and distributed under the GPL license (as Fedora) it is by nature an independent technology that empowers the user to claim their own sovereignty.
- jrjsmrtn 2y ago
  Correct. But being open source and distributed under the GPL is not enough. RedHat or SuSE have a more indeterminate future due to their shareholders control, frequent changes of owners, distro licensing or source code availability. Debian, the distro, is almost boring but has the largest platform scope and one of the largest package base. Debian, the organisation, with its community, its policies, its social contract, its independence, has proven its resilience over and over again. In addition to Debian's LTS and ELTS support, the Civil Infrastructure Platform (https://www.cip-project.org https://www.cip-project.org) provides Super-Long-Term Stable (SLTS) kernels for ten years. Want paid support ? Look at companies like Freexian. Want reproducible builds? (https://reproducible-builds.org https://reproducible-builds.org) Look at https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds (And yes, I'm very aware of NixOS/Guix). Thus, why start a new Linux distribution if we want sovereignty? Let's support and build on the Debian project and community, the Civil Infrastructure Platform, the Linux Foundation, the reproducible builds projects. Let's support Proxmox, a EU-born VMware alternative based on Debian ! :-) Developer resources are scarce, maintainers burnout is real. Let's not waste energy on futile projects. Let's build our sovereignty on solid, existing foundations.
  - jrjsmrtn 2y ago
    Oh, and let's move to RISC-V. ;-)
lr1970 2y ago
Right, why not SUSE Linux which is European?

WhereIsTheTruth 2y ago

Red Hat.., next..

jeroen79 2y ago

As a European i don't want fedora or kde give us something more modern and gtk based please.